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05 Feb 2012 22:55:54
Snow didn't sign depietro Lecavelliers contract is almost as bad as ricks.
05 Feb 2012 22:48:26
Add a 1st rd pick and make the prospect a player to be named later if Suter resigns First round pick instead of a prospect its going to be a top 10 pick. more than anyother team will pay for Suter Moen weber diaz desharnais are 4 guys with there cheap contract that all team would love to have georges is a stud defenseman and is a top 3 on any team in the league cole is worth his deal budaj is a cheap solid back up goalie emelin is the best clean bodychecker in the game i think there is above average value on this team not to mention a half a dozen cant miss prospects Is this the same guy that said Gill was a stud that any playoff bound team would want/need? Because this trade is pathetic! Everyone has said so I'll say it again, NOBODY WANTS MONTREAL'S TRASH! Besides, the only players of value on that team are Eller, Pacioretty, Price and Subban everyone else overrated and/or under performing ^ I disagree. Nice that you put points up and all but that is such a minor factor. Gill is at the end of his career and Kostitsyn is just absolutely awful and obviously from past experience in montreal seems to get into trouble with his brother. while Suter is not even suppose to be a big point producer but is and is easily one of the top shutdown D in the league today that can play anywhere. That is not nearly enough for suter!
05 Feb 2012 22:37:08
Penner will be a ufa after this year, gagne is on ir, I thought of cap too but I think this would work for both teams. Bernier still not 100 percent proven It would be a bad deal for the kings. i dont think anyteam is going to take a chance on carter without CBJ paying them with a prospect or draft pick. Ya so Richards and Carter can go partying in downtown L.A.? Giant cap issues there... maybe if the kings were somehow able to unload penner in this trade
05 Feb 2012 22:25:19
^Determinate duh Next year...MAYBE....and that will be determinate on Crosby Yes, that is why he should be targeted. EOL. I agree with the 2 guys above also the pens arent going to give up a key guy when there going to be a playoff team and a possible stanley cup contender These are exactly the reasons that the penguins should not trade him.........JS can go to the net, PK, PP. He is big and young. Has Cup experience . No way pitt does that, 0% chance
05 Feb 2012 22:20:44
Wow, nuts anyone? Yeah schenn mac and kadri for bobby ryan...do it.... If it were only that easy. Leafs need to send a higher pick or a prospect also What is oshie that mac isn't? and we don't need piet we have gardiner...save schenn and mac for bobby ryan
05 Feb 2012 22:04:10
Remind what gauthier has done that has been so horrible bourque 4 cammy good trade kaberle 4 spacek not great because of contract but they didnt give up anything sign eric cole good move fired pearn and martin but kept them in the oranization no big loss. lack of motivation is losing games for habs this year gm cant really control that without changing personal I like the present GM for Montreal...he's doing an appicable job thus far....in fact they should give him an extension already...what are they waiting for? It will probably be some french guy and he will come in, have a couple loosing seasons, then get fired and replaced by another french guy. Havent been active lately? its still a while before the deadline, and we just shipped out cammalleri the other week Good GMs for Montreal would be I think robinson was offered coaching job a few years back but declined because he didnt want to face the pressure if he was mentally prepared for this now i think he would be an excellant choice for either posistion but proberly best suited for coach put cunneyworth back as assistant and i think both would work tremendous together I've always thought that Larry Robinson would make an excellent coach or GM in Montreal(I think he is well respected around the league)
05 Feb 2012 21:24:59
Lol so LA trades there 2 best centers and get crap Brule is not in Edmonton anymore, he got clamed by Phoenix Gibert Brule is in Phoenix Brule isn't even an Oiler anymore, more prove that maple leaf fans have zero clue!! Too many players in the trades i don't know who wins or looses so it sounds good! Good trade maybe edmonton gives up bit more tho, or take out trontos aulie No one wins this toronto has to many centers emonton gives up a lottery pick for a no 1 center they clearly don't need and la loses both no 1 centers while looking for a playoff run this year Why don't the leafs throw in two tickets to paradise..... They've given up a crap load already
05 Feb 2012 21:14:02
Oh you person gagner has way more value then grabovski even before he had his 8 pt game grabovski is a ufa proberly gonna want 5 mil per season only team gonna pay this is tor Toronto doesnt have a boatload of talent If you add Grabovski to the Penguins then its a done deal....Malkin would love to play with Kessel and Lupul...not Grabovski ^Gagner has had two good games. Nothing else in his entire career, calm down. Grabo is worth at least a first and second pick. Look at what the leafs got for Versteeg who was nothing less than an invisible player for the leafs. (Doing well now though, just saying). Gagner is worth a second, Grabo waaay more. Gagner equal value to Grabovski? Really come on man...that's the definition of over value... Gagner is almost equal with Grabovski right now and is younger yet most people posting stuff think he is worth a 2nd at most ^ who suggested this? a 2nd for Grabovski?? you're nuts Alot more likely (if Malkin wants to play with grabovski), Tor gets: 2nd rnd pick Pitt gets: grabovski A. Y would they want Reimz with MAF in net ? Connolly and Lombo aren't worth it for Pitts to give up for Malkin. Tim and Lombo are just a few guys Leaf fans think are expendable. If this deal were to go down it'd start with Kadri, Schenn, 1st and then some. Wow....how much you been drinking? It's suppose to be a joke but i like the trade haha. Pittsburgh's gm might pull it off :D If Crosby wasn't an issue, I could see the Pens dealing Malkin for a boatload of young talent from the Leafs. But since Malkin is their whole team right now, there's no way this happens. Maybe if you give up, kessel or lupul maybe both, franson, schenn, macarthur, 1st round pick for next 2 years... Lol, u forgot to include Schenn,Kadri,1st,Liles Um Malkin is not coming to T.O or leaving Pitts especially with Crosby hurt. Maybe Malkin said he wanna play with grabvoski in pittsburgh and not toronto? Yeah right
05 Feb 2012 21:03:59
@ Hawky.... I think komi will defenatly be moved before the dedline. Teams want him he can still play. He would be a top 4 defencemen on most teams. Like the trade would want them to take conolly though Komisarek, Holzer, MacArthur Defensive depth? Are you sideways? StL's D might be the best in the league already, what they need is goal-scoring. Thusly, this trade would be a dumb move by them. Unless Komisarek switches to wing and starts scoring goals... This is honselty one of the most realistic trade offers i have ever heard Berglund is a big guy may or may not be a 1st liner. Komisarek is a good depth guy to have a Gunnerson is nice throw in St.Louis would probably pass if it was Stewart.....But Dont forget Berglund is 6'4 229lbs and plays centre, not a killer, but a skilled big body down the middle...I want home town Stewie too.. Rather Chris Stewart I'd expect that STL will have to throw in a mid pick (3rd or 4th) for this to work. Id trade for chris stewart but berglund's not bad either.
05 Feb 2012 20:29:05
Richards is not the guy for the Leafs due to his size. Why can people here not grasp that simple concept? Would he help them? Of course. Is he what they need? No, he isn't. Im not sure Mr. Burke will be able to find the right trade for his big #1 center without giving away too much. I have a sneaky feeling that he may land Braydon Schenn and re-unite the brothers. He is getting way more PP time in Phili and I think he is being showcased. Burke may not want to shuffle the deck too much but he needs to sign Grabo soon. This could all change if Grabo doesnt sign in the next 2 weeks... If that was the price I don't think Burke would pull the trigger and LA may be hesitant....they need offense and Bozak is no sure thing...they'll want 2 players who can lay top 6 minutes...
05 Feb 2012 20:12:09
Staal could get that plus a first round pick. Calm down with the Hemsky > Staal There's no way NY would do this Hemsky greater then stall you MUST be jokeing Hemsky and a 2nd or gagner and a 2nd for just staal could do it, with mcdounaghs emergence and staals injury, he could be moved Hemsky > Staal (if healthy)
05 Feb 2012 20:05:40
^^ will it be enough for Bernier when he leaves this summer bc they can't afford to sign him?? Not enough for Bernier.
05 Feb 2012 19:55:22
Throw in a 4th round draft pick or kobinan holzer and the richards deal sounds good ^So this trade sounsd good bro? I know not many people will agree with this one but here goes. Richards was going to go for Kadri and Kulimen last year. Burke sat on it and Flyers went for the deal from LA. Richard's stock definitely hasn't risen this year. Kulimens stock has gone down but not to the extent that they need to throw in a top defensive prospect in too. Are u serious that's not too much! Only 3 key players are going kulemin, kadri and aulie. I know that's a quite a bit of potential in future but we do get mike richards instead of overpaying teams for like b ryan, e staal, getzlaf, etc. Too much for richards LA: Kulemin, Bozak, Gunnarsson Would love for this trade to happen, sucks giving up Kadri tho Not really a "go for it" mentality for the Kings.............Fair value, but the Kings are in a strike now mode, that's obvious by shipping out Schenn...Doesn't Help the Kings enough. Add in connolly/bozak and it might work Doesn't richards also have a 10 year contract ?
05 Feb 2012 19:46:36
Ducks won't trade Ryan. If they were, price would be Weber.
05 Feb 2012 19:38:37
THINK WITH A DIFFERENT MIND PEOPLE!! We get a top pick, get rid of conolly and burry gomez in the minors. the problem is Montreal can afford to burry gomez too so they wouldnt do this trade. Montreal doesnt give up 1st pick for connely even if gomez goes no thanks guys we are not that desperate to get rid of gomez Im sorry but you cant just screw the cap, if it were that easy, the leafs, canadiens and the rangers would buy the best free agents I don't know... That first round pick is good incentive with where the Habs are in the standings. But i still feel more would need to come from the Habs I hate Gomez but mark my words, he will have a resurgence on his next team. Despite this prediction, still don't want him in a Leafs uniform. If the Leafs weren't going for a playoff run i would do this. Get a lottery pick, send Gomez to the minors and call up a guy like Colbourne for some time in the big leagues. Don't give up your day job No way!!!!! gomez is horrible. only way montreal gets rid of him is minors, or give their first round picks until gomez's contract is up and pay his salary still If the leafs got the first I'd do it, then bury Gomez in the minors, as far as carter goes, he's got a horrible attitude, is a whiner and is always hurt... The blue jackets can keep him Hahah gomez is absolute trash Connolly has like 5-10 goals this season and around 25 points, gomez on the other hand doesn't and has a horrible contract. Laugh my ass off Heres my thoughts, That would mean taking Bozak who's played incredibly well with both Lupul and Kessel, he would end up on the 3rd line for his efforts, Not really what he deserves. Then taking a guy (Gomez) who has had the worst season of his life. BUT the First rounder is a sweet incentive. Overall its highly unlikely but I see where you wanted to go with it.
05 Feb 2012 19:23:14
Ducks won't trade Ryan and Toronto has nothing to offer. Ryan might be in to going to TO, Richards no way, he will end up in Calgary before that happens. Not everyone wants to play in TO, and Burke cant give up everything Leafs should not trade armstrong. They always win when hes playing. LA trade puts them over the cap and I am not convinced they get significantly better in the short term, which is what they would be trading for...but the value is there... Burke will pull of one of the two trades, i don't think he wants to trade the whole team for 2 players, but one is fine. Read that Burke is looking at Semin, dont know what they would give up but maybe he just needs a change of sinery Kulemin is ok but your going to have to give a lot more to get Richards Take Kadri out and put in Frattin
05 Feb 2012 19:17:11
No way is suter worth more value than krejci. Nobody can see the future but right now hands down david krejci way better player all round... If Boston wants Suter they have to give up Seguin. Boston needs to give more, krejcis very good, but suter is at a different level. Krejci and boychuck or mcquaid
05 Feb 2012 19:08:05
Rinne is the best goalie in the league. He's not going anywhere. All those oiler bums together would not get Rinne.....Seriously ? Now not saying this will happen but I could have if preds hadn't yet signed rinne to a deal
05 Feb 2012 18:50:35
Hey if it was Kulemin, Grabovski, Gunnarsson and a 1st, I do it in a heartbeat. ^ if we had Kopitar we wouldn't need Grabovski.... ^ i listed Gunnarsson because he is a solid d-man, at a low cap hit...exactly what LA needs...Franson, Aulie, Schenn etc. probably puts them in a more precarious position in the long run No, we need Grabo Kopitar is more valuable to LA long term...he would cost more than Getzlaf....
05 Feb 2012 18:33:01
Hal gill not kaberle Raymond would only take the spot of someone like palushaj now hes actually bigger then him Getting smaller up front though
05 Feb 2012 17:58:53
I posted 6 days ago that toronto will and are gonna try and get Ruutu. Now sites all over are saying the leafs are looking at aquiring Ruutu via trade. Ruutu has more grit that is much needed on the team and still has yet to reach his full potential just like lupul. Agree but dont think Burke wants to give up much, Kadri isnt really well liked there anyway. If they are willing to give up Kadri or Colbourne they should look at Chris Stewart or someone in that range(i acknowledge the LEafs would have to move more)...getting younger instead of moving a young piece for a rental makes more sense Rumor on other sites are Tor would give up Kadri or Colburn for Tuomo Ruttu
05 Feb 2012 17:40:42
Think they will bring up lenner for the playoff push. Auld is s**t and anderson is getting burnt out. he playes more than any other goalie in the leauge Bishop is worth a 2nd and a 3rd Ottawa has lehner too Bishop is worth more then a 2nd or 3rd pal
05 Feb 2012 17:28:36
Sorry but Kopitar is way more than that. Not enough for Kopitar...you'd have to start with Grabovski and a 1st or a top prospect would have to be involved...
05 Feb 2012 17:07:00
When the year is done why would someone trade for Suter. They would just be trading for first negotiating rights and thats worth nothing mabe a second rounder if the team really thinks they will re sing him. Suter will just leave for nothing Claude is like one of the top ten players in the NHL! Who do you think the GM of philly is? jay feaster? Two 2nd round picks for Giroux is plenty. He is small and injury prone. This year he is playing well cause he has Hartnell and Jagyer on his line. You can't trade Suter at the end of the year...bc he is a UFA.... You have to trade him at the trade deadline... if you dont the first oppurtunity to trade is AFTER he becomes a free agent july 1st and you dont have his rights then. you do, however, get the first rights to re-negotiate a contract before that july 1st deadline; but if you can't get a new contract by then he's a free agent and your S O L Suter would have to be signed for this deal to be possible the possibility of 2-2nd round draft picks for Giroux does not add up Works in NHL 12 Philly needs to add a bit, a mid prospect maybe Don't think philly would do this That's just silly
05 Feb 2012 17:05:23
The Leafs have enough defensemen, why would they take Myers? Trading Myers makes no sense for Buffalo but if they did,I would think the package would need to be far better than Bozak,Schenn,Orr,2nd for Myers,Roy
05 Feb 2012 16:58:36
How about you trade the whole teams to each other. the only difference is the jerseys. Um...no I don't think you have included enough players. Perhaps you should make it a 20 player deal between the two teams.
05 Feb 2012 16:52:07
Ya cuz they really need GUS. ever heard of cary price? why would they trade a 1st for a backup who is a UFA at the end of the year Leaf Haters post...just move on Gustavsson is NOT worth a 1st round dp,never in a million years,especially since mtl has a lotery pick Yeah tor doesnt have anything that mtl would give up there 1st pick for gustavsson..... are you kidding an average goalie for at least a top 5 pick go back to sleep Oh yeah montreal needs a goalie with carey price... How did you possibly come up with this one,it makes abolsutely no since for Montreal to do this one unless Toronto has Pierre Gauthier on the payroll Hmm I dont see that benefiting either team, T.O needs goaltending down the stretch both goalies have been hot/cold so we need both. MTL the only position they dont really need is goaltending with Carey starting every game. 2 questions to get everyone worked up:
05 Feb 2012 16:45:47
Whos Brenner? Does Connoly even have 11 this season? Why would leafs want gagner? just because he has 11 points in 2 games? ya like that is going to last... why would Tampa want more offense, when they are looking for D & goaltending?! Where is Armstrong? And of course tor gets by far the best of it what a surprise if only other teams were as stupid as you guys this may have a chance of happening Edm gets the s**t end of the stick.
05 Feb 2012 16:38:36
I could see schneider being dealt but i dont know about everyone else you put in that trade, my proposal would be ^ what do you suggest then? Don't take the 1st? I think the Canucks have more good players than the Islanders so they could give them up for nothing so that they could have equal amounts of good players. Didn't your mommy tell you to share
05 Feb 2012 16:26:02
Ya because trading half the team is what we need.. Bad trades again leaf fan try to make it somewhat fair for the other team next time please Gardiner is a future pillar of the Leafs D, not going anywhere Please don't say Staal is another Schenn . Staal was dominate before his concussion and will continue to be once he gets his rythem back. Schenn is learning how to play yet with the potential to MAYBE be as good as him Your trade for Staal isn't to bad but from the leafs stand point you can't trade gardener , this guy is so smooth with the puck good in his own end exceptional in the o zone , IMO you move schenn and his contract in that deal if yu insist on landing e Staal . Schenn, kadri,conolly,1st You must be kidding , liles is their pp quarterback , IMO we don't need another schenn on the leafs in Staal ,And then you add gun arson , Percy and a 2nd you mid as well throw Crosby in there to cause Toronto seems to wanna give away their players in this deal why won't Pittsburgh wanna pitch haha.
05 Feb 2012 16:21:02
Ya i dont think they would get rid of dubnyk unless they get a goalie in return. I think LA has eyes on Jeff Carter and in return Columbus would be looking at Bernier. Don't think Edmonton swings this deal as they have better props for hemsky elsewhere and would rather not move dubnyk at this point they expect him to be a quality starter in his own right. Oil will move Hemsky for D if at all possible. If Edmonton has to think about this then GM must be fired today and I'll be the interm until they find someone who wouldn't be stupid not to do this . I think Oilers would have to add and thats from a die hard fan since 81 Where did you hear of this rumor? The comics section of the Edmonton SUN? Gagner is a higher value now... Edmonton GM would have to know nothing about hockey to do this. Or brain dead...
05 Feb 2012 16:13:43
Not to bad one of the better leaf trade proposals i have ever seen 1st trade tor would proberly have to add anonther pick 2nd or 3rd other one it is proberly colbourne and kadri
05 Feb 2012 16:09:23
What a joke there is no way in hell that the Oilers are trading Eberle to ANY team for many years to come but i guess this trade is no more ridicules than any of the other posts u dillusional Leafs fans have posted If you would trade kessel and lupul for eberle you need to give your head a shake I a die hard leafs fan and i would trade kessel and lupul for eberle easily,nobody realizes how good eberle is Lupul is playing well because the chemistry between kessel and bozak if you trade him to a young core team who says he will even be effective? ya he has talent but he needs someone to feed him the puck with a wicked pass, a.k.a kessel. Just like EDM won't give up a player that will be better than lupul for years Agree with hawky. ebs is worth alot more than that, could get schenn, gusty, 2nd easy, if not more. Eberle exceeds Lupul in almost every regard? Really? So the player ranked 11th in the league in points exceeds the player ranked 6th in the league in points? Lets just start this rumor with lupul schenn colbourne and ist pick for eberle and tor can add in pieces to make the deal LOL are u kidding to get Eberle Toronto would get rid of Lupul in a heartbeat not to mention toss in a few extras. Nice try. You'd have to trade your entire team and some stock in the Leafs to get a player like Eberle. Leaf fans are a joke. Doesnt make sense for either team, T.O. will not break up the Kessel Lupul tandem. I dont know who eberly is, he must be some useless prospect, so I'd definitely do this deal.....
05 Feb 2012 16:05:15
Burke can want all he wants but if he thinks he is going to unload garbage for gold he is crazy. I think LA is closer to contend then the Leafs so why would they devalue themselves. The reason they are looking at Macarthur and Kulemin is because they are the sum of small parts which is what LA needs and can get players either from the Leafs or other teams without giving up players that don't come up in the draft every year. How long has Toronto needed a # 1 center and still haven't got him yet. You have to draft in top 10 to have a chance at getting 1 of these type of players except for the odd time when you get lucky and draft 1 later. I guess i have to explain myself, I assumed that people on this site have some vision and education but I was wrong. You've "come to find out" have you? From where? You don't have any sources so don't pretend that you do. Not a rumor, just another Leaf dream. Not likely LA parts with kopitar. Have heard LA is looking at Kulemin and MacArthur. Not sure Burke wants to move either however I can see him dealing Kuli to gain some space for the off season when he will once again push for a top line center. Perhaps a deal like
05 Feb 2012 15:37:31
I dont understand what the obsession with JVR is, he is a big potential top 6, but his numbers arent that impressive. Grabo has put up better numbers than JVR and no one is saying he is worth as much. The only way i would consider trading for JVR would be as part of a larger package or as a 1 for 1 with schenn or franson Love how Leaf fans jump all over others for a trade they see as unfair yet everyone that posts a Leaf one on here has been pretty much one sided. For every stupid Leaf trade on here other fans should post a ridiculous back for the Leaf fans to have to read . It is about time to clean up this messy sight of stupid trades but if you can't might as well join them Here we go again about Kadri's potential but JVR has potential to. He is projected to be 30 to 40 goal power forward so pay up. I dont think BB is that stupid, but he did sign Liles to an extension and he did extend Wilson and he like AHL players on the NHL roster. So kadri and schenn are only worth a 20 goals basically? kadri is going to be a wicked passer and sniper i would deffinitly keep him. Add a snd from philly How original.
05 Feb 2012 14:51:32
Turns out, the Brian Lee listed as Hawk property is a different Brian Lee, and there is likely nothing more than media speculation to this. Sorry guys apparently this trade was rushed out there. Have a look at john jaeckle's site on hockey buzz, he does the hawks site. Take a Look at the ottawa's site on hockey buzz aswell. I know Chicago would love to have another defenceman, but I really dont know how much Lee would bring to the table for the Blackhawks. 6 or 7th defenceman. Insurance maybe? K, I still cant find anything about it so now I am starting to doubt you. Ottawa needs to do something to shake up the roster. Good for them. I've have an update, it's not Brian lee it's another lee from the sens. Sorry guys. Really? Where? I checked ESPN and a couple other sites and havent seen it.
05 Feb 2012 14:42:47
You have to understand that the Oilers are not in the market for that stay at home kind of D like Hedman. I can Fowler because he is mobile defender something that the Oilers need. Fowler is a offensive dman, where as hedman will give you a little bit of both, but hedman is a more talented player and better defensively, i think gagner and petry would do it, or gagner and the first. but a slight overpayment might be needed. maybe gagner, petry and a 2nd/3rd Can the Oilers draft someone better than Hedman? If the answer is no, do the trade... I'm with Hawky on this one. Great D-men like Hedman are easy to find. Oh there goes one over there right now... oops my bad. I don't know about Fowler over Hedman. I like Fowler's ability to pass, and he will develop into a solid 45 to 60 point defenceman. And would agree that he is probably more developed than Hedman at this point, but I still would take Hedman. mostly because of his size. Which is at a premium, when the playoffs roll around and the intensity goes up a few notches. and I still think Hedman has some untapped offensive potential that still might come through. Fowler skates better but I think Hedman has more overall abilities Hedman is decent, but he is a developing Dman (defense takes longer in the NHL than a forward position) and given his original potential and what he's offered up so far (I like him, but Im not sure he's gonna quite pan out to what he could have been... look at Adam Larsson as a comparison) I dont like the Oilers putting up that much for him. Gagner, Petry and a 1st could get better (or at least more developed) in my mind. Like Fowler. I'd take him over Hedman at this point if the same offer was put up, even tho I think it might be too much for Fowler as well. If the payment was cut a little bit, maybe Gagner, Marincin, and a 2nd, then I'd probably do it. Not sure TB would though. There'd have to be some tinkering to that. And thats just off the top of my head anyway... I think Edm would have to overpay for a 21 d man that has that much potential. Plus they are the ones that need the help. If Tampa needed Gagner and were after him then the Oilers would be dealing from the position of power. Its the same thing with all these stupid Leaf proposals , they want the #1 center so they will have to overpay not the other way around Really?? Fudge no.
05 Feb 2012 14:25:03
^ Never in my life would i give up steckle winning 58 % of every draw! Come on man. ^ Who's the Blue Chip Prospect?? Horrible, we give up 2 picks and a blue chip prospect, and a face-off stud for a buncha 4th liners ? Wow, at least the leafs are full of 3rd liners, HUGE step down, brutal... Saying "Have at it" really ruins the fun.
05 Feb 2012 12:15:18
^ I dont know why everyone keeps thinking that Jeff Carter is gonna be a leaf. There are so many reasons why he shouldnt be. I agree, are you "cazy"? Whoever that is... Komi for a 4th rd also Are you cazy.
05 Feb 2012 11:40:23
Wont work! Bruins have Caron and Hamill as a scratch, where will Rutu fit in? They wont sit one 4th liner, theyre too important. Could sit Poulint but too risky for the bruins Theyll get a nice return for ruutu, theyd be stupid to keep him at this point, they suck and could use a couple years to add young prospects and develop them. if penner landed edmonton a kings ransom last year, ruutu could get them a similar package IMO ^ Waaay to much, dont get me wrong, he's good, but aint that good, plus Turoo is always injured...2nd & 5th pick ought to land him, that will give the Canes options on draft day.. Decent trade. Starting to sound like Carolina is gonna try and re-sign him tho. I like Ruutu but with Carolina in the position they are and the plethora of rumors surrounding him, I think it might be in CAR's better interest to trade him. If an offer like this came along, I'd probably do it. And Boston would certainly benefit from picking him up...
05 Feb 2012 11:40:08
I wonder if the wings have interest in Parise at all Wings definately want to add a top 6 forward. The usual suspects have come up when the wings are concerned( Roy, Ruutu, Hemsky) However they are also looking to add depth in other spots as well(like a bottom 6 checking winger with some skill guys like Travis Moen, Sami Pahlsson make sense, and another guy I would not be surprised to see the wings to a run at would be Olli Jokinen as his value would be less than what it would cost to grab one of the usually mentioned top 6 guys. I could see Edmonton having an interest in Brandon Smith. A good young defenceman with solid puck moving skills. I think they jointly own investment property I actually havent looked at Detroit's draft history so thats an interesting tidbit. Im not entirely convinced they'd toss a 1st (albeit a late one) at Hemsky and Khabibulan, but maybe. Im sure Tambellini would like to be getting a Dman back instead, but if Detroit did offer that he might jump on it 'cause it takes out two birds with one stone. If you look at Detroit's draft history over the last decade, you'll notice that they rarely end up actually drafting in the first round. The organization invests so much time in their scouting that they feel they can use that first rounder to gain value for cup runs. I would not be surprised if Detroit shipped their (late) first rounder to Edmonton in a Hemsky and/or Khabibulin package. Meanwhile, the Oilers will most likely shop their first rounder for a Bobby Ryan or Shea Weber-type impact player at the draft. Kindl is very unlikely to move, as is Cody Emmerton, whom a number of teams have asked for. Don't be surprised if one of Ruutu/Hemsky/Roy ends up in a Wings uniform by the deadline.
05 Feb 2012 11:36:36
Richards isnt the ideal (6'2", 225lbs) but hes an all around awesome player, a great two way forward. good point production, good passer, excellent vision and instincts and an excellent hockey IQ, he'd be welcomed and he would perform in Toronto with Kessel and Lupul ^^Ha ha prized piece in kulemin? Thats hilarious! Lol richards might be having a down year; yet, kulemin only has FIVE goals all season and conolly doesnt have a contract after this season. Richards might not have the offensive numbers yet their team is still in playoff picture. Doubt they make a drastic move now for a couple of WORSE toronto players. *SIDENOTE, toronto underperforming players do not equal good players on other teams, doesnt matter how many of them you offer. Richards is not big enough to be the first line centre in Toronto. That line needs size and Richards, as good a player as he is, does not provide that. What good is it adding him if that line is going to be pushed around and abused every night (to say nothing of the beating they would take in the playoffs)? Come on man. Mike Richards wont be traded. and if he was, come on. You think all it would take is Connolly and Kulemin? Macarthur,Grabo,Gunnersson and Tor !st for Penner and Richards maybe not the other way around LA thinks their close to Stanley, Richards is the playoff/pressure go to guy.....I cant see this deal, but i can see Richards in T.O. This trade is a little bit interesting. Richards isn't really working out in LA and neither is Connolly in Toronto. LA gets a prized piece in Kulemin and only has Connolly on the books for another year. At first glance, this trade seems lopsided but LA is desperate and this could really help them short term and long term....and voila! Burke's first line centre. You dont want to know what I think...
05 Feb 2012 05:57:53
You could move 2-3 guys from TO without messing with the chemistry....Connolly, Lombardi, Komisarek, MacArthur....there are options but they are limited While I agree it would be really really dumb for Columbus to move their first round pick this year, the reality is that it all boils down to A) how much of a negative influence Carter is in the room and B) how desperate they are to get out from under his contract. If he is poisoning their room and they are desperate to unload his contract then it might make sense to do it if they are offered the right price for it. Richards for 3 spacefillers...please The only way Columbus moves their 1st round pick is if it is in 2013 or 2014. There is no way they moves this years pick Trading the potential 1 st overall especially in a draft year like this one would be fine if you were getting a star player the only other thing doing that would do is make you unemployed. Who Cares if Carters contract isn't great , to bail on it I'm sure a team like LA would give you something without making Columbus taking it in their rear end with their pants still up.What Leaf fans are posting would be the same as someone taking Connoly who hasn't worked out and asking for their 1st for doing them a favor. Maybe You think Edm would give up their 1st if you took Horcoff as well Get real man To me, Toronto and LA seem like unlikely trade partners. Both on the cusp of a playoff berth, why mess up things so much? In your proposal, LA gives up a key part of their team (in spite of his difficulties) and Toronto gives up a few pieces that make their team what it is. Seems like a drastic move for both teams. Too much for Richards and do you really think Columbus will trade what will likely be the 1st overall pick? And for that package?
05 Feb 2012 04:49:57
Ballard and Raymond for Gil and moen, makes more sense, Montreal doesn't have a hole in defense and we make cap space for schnieder :) That is not even close for JVR. Gunnarsson and Boyce at the most
05 Feb 2012 04:19:09
Nash isn't a center? He might not be playing that position but he did as a kid and all the way through Junior so it might not be a big deal for him to switch. Why in hell would Brian Burke go for Derek Roy. Yea the guy can produce, but he is rarely healthy and and small, 5'9. He is not a true #1 center, and the Leafs are in no need for another 2nd line center when they already have, Connolly, Bozak, Grabovski, Lombardi, and Colborne as possible #2 centers. You wish!!!! That is NEVER gonna happen ^ Nash is on a team with a d first attitude, put him on an o first team and that guy lights it up, Nash=goals The Sabres trade isnt half-bad, tho Im not sure what BUF would think about taking Komisarek back. I'd expect a package similar to that for Roy tho. The other ones suck tho. Sorry...
05 Feb 2012 04:17:29
^ Hawky, why do you have to be so rude, if you don't like the post that's fine, but really!! Tone it down. ^ For all of us that don't know squat, you have plenty to say. Although your opinion on occasion shows some merit your demeanor is flawed by arrogance. Stick to hockey Hawky and keep your thoughts and comments on the intellegence of others to your self. Golly gee, tell your "source" on this that we're all so super-duper happy that he's leaked this incredible insider information to you to share with the rest of us. Golly gee gosh...
05 Feb 2012 03:48:48
Im only against it because I want the same trade to happen with Edmonton for Hemsky. Not bad though. I could see Nashville going for it. They need scoring and Blum might be someone they'd move for it...
05 Feb 2012 03:06:10
Just because these deals worked on you xBox does not mean they will work in real life. Trade for nash is over payment Why the hell would you put Colbourne ahead of Staal
05 Feb 2012 02:06:22
Ya that makes sense Hawky, i could really only see some young goalies getting moved to NJ, NYI and TB so we will have to see how this goes down if it does at all! ^ There hasn't been a Halak to TO suggestion in a few weeks...just sayin Ok so say bishop is there 4th goalie this season in the ahl he is 20-12 with 6 shutouts... ^ Pick would be coming from stl Ummm how bout just a second, bishop is the blues 4th goalie, thats not that good.
05 Feb 2012 01:51:58
I hate that Florida is currently in 3rd when their points total should place them in 9th. I like this idea you could potentially have a leafs vs montreal stanley cup by theory. That is even worse. Then Detroit will have to play more games vs. west coast teams I am all in for the top 16 teams to make it one total league no conferences at all
05 Feb 2012 01:35:12
Tampa needs a goallie, schneider is a #1 goalie, malone is a top 6 forward. Steve Y said he that he will not be trading picks or high prospects this season We keep coho and Nash can trade Lindback for something better Why keep Mary Lou... I wouldn't, I would keep schnieder This is the dumbest trade I've ever seen first you give nothing for actual assets in both trades second you have 2 first rounders somehow and 3rd weber is making 7 million this year alone why would he take a pay cut!? So you magically have 2 foray rounders? And you think you can trade trash for weber?
05 Feb 2012 01:26:49
^^^your swapping schenn for kadri in this I doubt either will even play in the playoffs its the potential your getting Youll never know buddy untill you try it He means good players Wow putting the Schenn's on the same team. What an original thought. I mean, they're brothers, and then they would also play on the same team? Have you told anyone else about this brilliant idea? Please, stop whatever you're doing. Your stunning aptitude is needed in other places. How would a center and a defenseman turn into "something special"? They work on opposite ends of the ice. You don't make a playoff push with Brayden schenn
05 Feb 2012 00:47:53
I wouldnt waive Joey Crabb....he's too valuable....will certainly be picked up in a heartbeat....did you see him fight on Saturday night? they should use him as an enforcer definitely done deal over easy. Edmonton could use Richards as well and if what you are offering is all it takes to get Richards I think there will be a lot of other teams willing to up the ante. I think it is more likely to be Carter to LA for Johnson and a bunch of really good prospects which LA is willing to give. Replace kuli with connolly with maybe a better pick u got urself a deal It is no secret the kings are looking for the gritty 3rd 4th line players who will do the dirty work the kings have all the scoring talent they could ask for. Yeah.. it could be MacArthur or lombardi instead of kulemin you never know ;) Burke wouldn't trade kulimen the first time to get Richards, so it's interesting to see if he'd do it this time, and I could also see MacArthur in place of kulimen, I'm skeptical LA would trade Richards after a half a season but it's pro sports and you. Ever know, plus Lombardi seems to be losing it slowly Of course you heard trade propasal regarding tronto cause tronoto sucks Not enough cap room 4 tor Making that trade w/o losing grabo is fine with me
05 Feb 2012 00:12:45
04 Feb 2012 23:58:41
^ I don't think it is moronic if the Leafs were ever able to bend LA over the barrel that hard Yeah, 'cause this is how both teams make the playoffs, tear their teams apart. They are^ Ya cause kopitar brown and richards are worth that much! To put it nicely, that's a kooky idea, I don't think LA is going to give up there best players while making a playoff push in exchange for what the leafs are sending, plus Toronto gets rid of prospects Burke worked hardto stock up Laugh my ass off When was the last time a playoff team (LA) traded away 3 best players. hahahha best thing i've read on here. Try it in nhl 12
04 Feb 2012 23:52:00
Toronto doesnt need a center the top line of lupul bozak kessel is one of the fastest and most exiting in the nhl. Nash is a big power forward and an upgrade from mcarther. I doubt BB would trade for a winger, effectively breaking up Kess/Lups If Nash moves,he would likely want to go to a cup contender rather than Toronto(who may or may not squeak into the playoffs) Hey dawg, randy Jackson called and said that all sounds made up Id say fall on your ass cause he not going to toronto I swear Nash said he didn't want to come to T.O because of the pressure. I think Darren dreger said that awhile back. What makes you think Detroit wont go after him. If Nash could choose between going to Toronto or Detriot. He goes to Detroit. If Nash leaves he would want to go to a cup contender i'm sure
04 Feb 2012 23:50:45
How is a guy who won a cup garbage? moen is a hot rumour these days PG turned down 2 offers, cause not enough in return, rumoured from chi & phi To those of you who disagreed with the comment above: scouts were drooling over saad in the preseason, moen is a perennial 3rd/4th liner. Never would go through. One of chicago's best prospects for your garbage 3rd liner player. Ahaahaha you're funny
04 Feb 2012 23:02:27
I aggree with HAWKY as well have the team bring in youth into the line up and keep picks that way they are getting younger through a small rebuild and can still compete as a flames fan most think that trading away iggy and doing a full scale rebuild is the only answer the only problem with this organization is slow starts and heavy contracts Iggy will only move in his contract year to a contender so he can resign with calgary in the offseason lastly people who say iggy should be traded are just jealous what happens when he gets traded to a team thats not your favourite and beat your team in the playoffs and wins the cup I'm sorry but i dont believe calgary would give up bearstchi and their first, derek roy is more of a realistic aqusation (bad spelling) but for the price of say babchuk and sarich + DP cap dump for sabres and calgary gets that #1 center and calgary doesn't have a 2nd round pick and stajan has more of a chance heading to abbotsford as much as i would love to see him somewhere else and i am a flames flan so if i am a little bias thats why Calgary shouldnt give up prospects and shouldnt go after Carter. They should face facts and start a rebuild. Maybe not a total rebuild, but their prospect pool is awful. Aside from Brodie, Bartschi, Irving and one other dude who's name I cant remember, they've got nothing. If they dont suck enough this year, they will next year. They need picks badly, not more risky endeavors... To the first comment; No one wants stajan, this would only work if jay feaster was the gm in columbus! Try maybe throwing in this years first, Bartchi, and another prospect. CBJ is getting nothing worth a puck of bags it that deal.
04 Feb 2012 22:30:43
Ya because NJ wants to give up a goalie prospect.. Wedgewood is not worth a seventh NJ is going for bottom six forward and not trading for a goalie, pretty pointless trade No deal - from a devils fan
04 Feb 2012 22:05:43
Actually pits pick might be from 18-23
04 Feb 2012 22:05:02
EDM should try and draft ryan murray or matt dumba ^ Love lindback but oil need a d man and they have a top 5 pick to use Sounds like Bunz might be ready for the NHL backup position next year, and if he's not, Danis is a possibility. If not him, Oilers can probably just snag a different backup at a cheap price. Lindback is pretty good, but the Oilers dont need pretty good at this point. Better off moving Gagner for a strong D-man (if they move him, which I still dont thin they will). Defense is an area that they need more help in than in goal... More for gagner edmonton wont do that
04 Feb 2012 21:56:41
NJD should jump on this 100% agree
04 Feb 2012 21:31:41
Not enough from tor GRABOVSKI is scoring goals ...he is a now a valuable Leaf one we enjoy watching carry the puck, in anticipation that every time he's got the puck something CAN happen ...why would we give him up now? a now steady goal producer who has found the net...he's proven himself...earned a seniority status near the top of my Leafs...respected by his teammates and poses concerns for other teams. He's effective leave him here...let Burke find other avenues as he knows how. B. Ryan isn't a second line player I think L.A. would move Richards before they moved Kopitar or D. Brown, Those 2 are key pieces to their core. Richards is a great player, but not as important to the franchise. I was just about to post something like this. Philly offered the leafs either Richards or Carter for any 2 of Kulemin, Kadri, and Schenn. I understand Burke not wanting to part with young players who could be impact players in the future, but Mike Richards is the exact player Toronto needs. I think Kadri and Schenn for Richards and a 2nd or 3rd round pick is a fair deal for both teams. This only happens IF L.A. is willing to part with him. I like the idea of the leafs getting richards. i think that if the leafs were to do this we would have to do a coinciding deal to provide us with stronger secondary scorig (since grabo and kuly will be gone). maybe a deal for jvr from philly or bobby ryan from the ducks, they would fit well on the second line hre in toronto. Would not give up grabo and kulemin.. grabo is a perfect 2nd line center for toronto.. guys like connolly macarthur lombardi are more realistic to part with, unless the leafs get multiple players in return
04 Feb 2012 21:30:24
Scheider is not a prospect.... Why in the hell would colorado trade away there future???? As a diehard avs fan, why? So colorado trades their best dman, their 2nd best forward and a goalie they just gave a 1st and 2nd rounders for, for a fourth line centre, third line winger an overpayed dman and a very good goalie prospect. You're just too dumb to post here
04 Feb 2012 21:24:04
Getting Nash would be a mistake. He had the chance to come to Toronto as a free agent and chose to sign in Columbus instead. He has stated and shown that he wants to stay away from large market teams. I agree with the original poster...and for 7.8 mill which i think he hits if burke wanted him to play goaltender he would...plus if it lowered him point intake which it wouldnt cuz the wingers kessell and lupul word make up for it Lol, everyone from the GTA and even the majority of ontario cheers for the leafs though, doesnt matter where exactly he was from. he definitely grew up in a go leafs go area. Ask NASH if he would play centre. I would trade the farm to get him but a way to get enough cap space for him and the others that need to be signed next year would be an issue. Let the leaf fans have at it. Come on some players boys and girls. He's not a Toronto boy, he's a Brampton boy. Not really the point of your post I know but, being from Brampton myself, I just thought that needed to be made clear. After playing as a winger for so long, he might have a tough time transitioning back to a full time centre, playing on the wing allows him to exploit all his offensive potential, playing centre requires him to play more defense than a winger, that could lead to lower point/goal totals. but he would be the biggest and the most telented centre. If this were to happen it could happen in the summer, i doubt it would happen now
04 Feb 2012 21:04:08
^^ ^ *ATTENTION* Hawky you always crack me up, and I agree This is the worst proposal I've read on here in..... about 3 minutes. But make no mistake, its truly horrible and makes no sense at all... Welcome to this sight almost all Leaf trades are very one sided. Almost got to make it a porn sight where you have to be an adult to get some serious trade rumour posts L.A. would laugh their asses off if this was a real deal, Toronto is giving them nothing for a bunch of studs, clearly all the 'Believable's are leaf fans and the 'Unbelievable' are serious about trade rumours, this isn't a website where you make Disney land trades that are one sided for one team, this is a website where you HEAR about trade rumours from legitimate sources that get it from people who work the General Managers. This is by far the dumbest trade i have ever seen. From Toronto you get two inconsistent forwards and a 3rd rounder for L.A.'s 1st rounder (Are you kidding me?) and the captain of the team and another top 6 forward with their future star goaltender and 2 prospects.... like WOW... all i can say to finish my comment off is ... you've been in Disney Land for a bit Bahaha Did this trade work on your xBox when you dreamed it up? You are on glue....leafs may get richards that's it for kuli and mac Too much back to toronto. Id say kuli and macarthur for kopitar or richards and a 3rd/4th round pick would be enough Haha, no. While they are at it they might as well through in Kopitar as well! Pfff as a Leafs fan I'd take that, La will not give up all that though wow.
04 Feb 2012 20:24:13
Kuly, gunnarson, 1st will land Richards imo ^ dont get ahead of yourself. The leafs are not clearly making the playoffs over ottawa or florida. Ottawas a better team than us so i dont really know where thats coming from. And theres no guarantee were even in the playoffs this year. Sheesh youd think after 6 years some leaf fans would learn not to assume were making the playoffs before weve actually made them. Man stop ripping the leafs!! They are clearly making the playoffs over ottawa or florida! Thats big thanks to players like mac and grabi who everyone is trying to trade! Wow this is just stupid...LA gave up alot to get m richard....now LA will trade him for some garbage players...
04 Feb 2012 20:18:35
Leafs aren't tradin grabo give ur head a shake....he loves toronto and will sign for 3.5 million instead of what he deserves which is 4.5-5 mill. not to mention he is bestfriends with kulemin... Brown is at least a 2nd liner, if not a first liner. hes just an awesome all around player in every aspect. hes tough, gritty, plays excellent defense, fore and backchecks and can put up good point totals ^ brown..you mean dustin brown? a good third liner...are you joking?? hes waaayyy better then that
04 Feb 2012 20:17:21
2 first round draft picks for 1 first round draft pick that isn't NHL ready and unproven....ah Chicago will have a late first rounder in a pretty weak draft year. The top 10 prospects ae fantastic, but theres a huge drop off after that. So pajaarvi and gagner are worth a crappy 1st...check yourself before you wreck yourself Not in this lifetime........maybe when everyones been reincarniated....maybe! Your funny. Dude....get off the heavy drugs and be a little more realistic.....its just the fair thing to do man!
04 Feb 2012 19:59:40
Done done and done from a caps fans perspective. in actuality this will never happen. that 1st round pick will become a superstar. maybe carter for semin one for one, but the caps would have to add in extra. Why would Columbus do that horrible trade How the f**k is semin worth carter and the 1st soon to be yakupov. your nuts. washington would have to throw in another decent good player, prospect and their 1st Haha no Throw in ovechkin and backstrom(when healthy) and you have yourself a deal
04 Feb 2012 19:21:25
Chicago has tried the Khabi experiment....that would be like EDM taking back Penner or Souray and trying again lol Bolland is a key part of Chicago's team in the playoffs. Theres no way hes moving this year. Thats not the only thing wrong with this proposal, but Im too lazy to type it all out. Basically: no way.
04 Feb 2012 18:27:43
Great trade idea! Do you honestly think whats on the leaf roster now will win them anything? Does anyone read the entire post? Leafs had thorton and let him go already they wont trade for him. besides if they are going to get a guy just for toughness get john scott So the leafs give up 2 of their better prospects for a bunch of third and fourth liners...ya right buddy Why would Boston do this?just to help out Toronto? They don't need Connolly, Crabb, Holzer, Frattin , Boston needs to keep toughness on their own team Like boston does that trade wake up man stupid trade lmao
04 Feb 2012 18:10:49
Ok so holzer isnt ready till the end of the season like i said. burke said he is still going to be a great defense, and no way id ever give up grabo. connolly has 1 less goal the Getzlaf. anyone could have that many assists when your on the same line as ryan and perry. and do you honestly think young nhlers will pass up any contract they get offered? get real buddy burke would do this deal. Anaheim also. they get a star defense and a good prospect! Excellent deal....Im sure hoping this is the deal that puts Toronto over the top....ill be watching it very closely for the next three weeks to see if it comes to fruition....for sure! Two non NHL ready 5th round draft picks and an UFA at the end of the year? Pass the pipe over here sonny! Connoly is not good enough. Overrated 2nd line C at best. Grabovski goes in this trade if it happens or else Kadri and Bozak
04 Feb 2012 18:07:20
^ what else can you give up? last time i checked picks and players are how trades work.... Yeah ok and toronto gives up players and a draft pick wow Excellent move for all teams, anahieim gets more propects than nhl caliber players, but considering they are a low spending team, this is what they are looking for Nope....gotta keep McKegg....gonna be the next Stamkos in a year or so....definitely! If anything Toronto would have to add someone like Gregg McKegg to Anaheim. He's an amazing young talent that looks like he'll be NHL ready in a year or so. The ducks get ripped off noway man lousy trade I think this trade is very close but Toronto gets too much in return. Toronto gets Ryan and richards. Give the two picks to opposite teams and I think u have a great trade (possibly too much change for these teams to gamble on) but as a fan I think all teams win Wow, I really like this. I'm not so sure I can even pick this one apart - Great job! ^ agreed Anaheim gets fleeced Probably one of the most fair three-way deal trades I've seen on this site. You get what you pay for. You gotta give, to get. I like it.
04 Feb 2012 17:18:38
It's dustin brown on the second line. read much? LOL at Mike Brown on the 2nd line. Franson AND a 1st for JVR? no thanks. Oh really? And where are you "hearing" this? Got some well placed contact or are you just blowing smoke as so many others do here (still waiting for that Habs trade from a couple of days ago that was supposedly "confirmed by the CBC" to be announced by any media outlet). People here really need to stop claiming any kind of inside knowledge or access because anyone with half a brain knows it simply isn't true. If you can read it's Dustin brown Lol Mike Brown in the top 6, ok you've lost it buddy Awful...simply awful. You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such nonsense. Didn't you read he'd be sent to the minors Why in the world would toronto get rid of there entire second line....brown second line material..you have to be kidding me Top 2 lines make me laugh terrible proposal. Penner would fit in a the 3nd line for now. they need big players. Lol are you high? You're on crack man! ^ lmao he said penner goes to the minors Do you want to trade the other half of the team for someone else? So penner isnt playing? or is he injured from eating more pancakes>
04 Feb 2012 17:11:18
So you think we should trade all that for penner instead of Richards!! Are you serious why he should go to the khl Whats there to realize? Players are players and can be easily replaced with good draft picks and or excellent top notch prospects.....you can throw in a bad contract also and its a done deal easy over You do realize your giving up an entire line and 2 of our best young players for only 2 guys...reguardless of the players values this trade makes no sense for the leafs in numbers First trade Penner not richards..
04 Feb 2012 17:10:34
You leaf fans are crazy....Thorton is the center you need and can probably get him cheap enough. Couture is ready to take over SJ and Big Joe has hit a slump. He isn't that old and people forget his size and his offensive ability. Put him with Lupul and Kessel and you have an elite line that can win faceoffs and forechecks. Not sure who TOR would give up but it wouldn't be as much for Thorton 2 years ago. What has Kessel accomplished ^ u want me to explain why carter couldnt help nash¿ because nash suck and so does columbus the twam. why dont u explain why nash has never accomplished a damn things in the nhl. why he hasnt made the playoffs but once and no wins in 8 years. .. pathetic. maybe nash dosent make carter or his team better. explain Richards is 5'11" and less than 200lbs. How small are you that you consider that a 'big body'? he is very skilled and would look great in Toronto but not for the first line as they lack size and he does not provide that. Ever watch columbus play hockey....if you did....its a no brainer.....man.....get a clue and maybe you'll understand hockey a little better....lol ^ it completely makes a difference, since you are now the know it all explain to everyone here why a shootfirst centre such as jeff carter didnt help a player equal to or greater than kessel/lupul in rick nash The reason it matters jvr is american is bruke likes americans (kessel, liles, gardiner) All these know it alls need to just stop. everybody who says carter is not a good fit between.kessel and.lupul is full of it. carter and lupul are good friends and regularly keep in touch. pass first shoot first makes no difference when u have such skill on one line. carters contract is is gm friendly. a player of his caliber at 5 mill for basically the rest of his career till it drops off near the end at 2 mills is great market value and any trean would b lucky to have him especially the leafs Schenn is deffinitly underrated in this trade! think back to burkes trades leafs have always come out on top. phaneuf and aulie, gardiner and lupul, franson and lombardi. if leafs were to deal schenn they would be getting the draft pick(s) I think BB likes American players, he may wish to back track a statement he made when the ducks won the cup. I think he said something about needing Canadian Players to win. Having a high percentage of Americans on the team fixes that (if they win) and he can mentor his Olympic team hopefuls.. I think a Toronto Hockey team should have Canadian Players mostly from Ontario but also from Quebec NS,NB,NFL and western boys...and a few from the rest of the world. It doesnt make him a better player, it just means burke is likely to persue him because he loves americans! Brian Burke has an affinity for American born players or college players. He's not against Canadians, but given the number of players he's drafted, traded for, or signed as a free agent, any assumption that he targets such players is not without merit. This is the 2012-2013 Lineup and the reason Lombardi is not in it is because he will retire after this season. Carter yes is a shoot first kind of guy but with guys like Kessel and lups banging in more rebounds and with his contract could come a little cheaper if he stays healthy his points speak for themselves. How does being American make JVR better. That's it I'm now convinced leafs fans are delusional and very very very dumb What happend to lombardi?
04 Feb 2012 16:47:31
Is this the Twilight Zone? Briere has a no trade clause and hes definitely happy in philly Briere centreing kessel/lupul then? i could live with that Too much for Ryan. Two more guys with concussions. Just the kinda deal I would expect from BB..
04 Feb 2012 16:39:52
04 Feb 2012 15:57:14
No way you get the isles 2nd for komizerek there 2nd is almost as good as a late 1st maybe a 4th pick 4 komi to a playoff team Actually 8 and a dp getting 3 and a pick back...what is your point? gotta give to get...or not in your world...maybe trade armstrong for richards and crabb for b ryan...that would be your trade right? one for one.... 8 players for 3 and a draft pick? Replace Schenn with Aulie. LA is in a tight fight for the play-offs. take out Colbourne and replace with Connoly
04 Feb 2012 15:25:30
Try this...... ^ right bud...B schenn and simmonds.. Mac is better then simmonds and i would rather have kulemin going into the playoffs then schenn Not even close to what they gave up to get him
04 Feb 2012 15:24:47
The carter trade is not a huge ripoff...they hate carters contract and wanna get rid of it so the 1st is compensation for someone else taking it on.. kadri will become a good player and komi is a good d man.. If anything burke would get carter cheap because carter has expressed he doesnt want to play for them. so a 1st rounder and a jerry d'amigo would be perfect. To Tor: Jeff carter, 1st rd 2013. Who ever said they both suck. think about them first then respond as a hockey fan, not a leaf hater I dont think either deal is bad i would be happy with either one or both They both wont happen because they both are stupid and favor the leafs. if burke presented this offer to any of the gms of those teams they'd hang up right away Obviously the second trade could turn out way better for the leafs, if carter picks up where he left off in philly and if the first round pick ends up being a top 2 or 3. toronto wins that hands down, as for the richards trade i think is decent valuation as well and pick up parise in the offseason you are looking pretty good there I like the la trade helps both teamsand i think kulemin well suited with kopitar nice trade
04 Feb 2012 15:06:24
Sanford instead of Brassard
04 Feb 2012 15:05:26
Kane > penner Are you serious? Wow, Winnipeg gets it hard with no lube here Ridiculous
04 Feb 2012 14:53:22
Everyone says Penner is a pancake...actually he's a pancake with way too much maple syrup and just not enough whipped cream!! "Please be realistic in your trade proposals so you don't make other fans of hockey run over anyone they see in a Leaf's jersey." They would need to take more salary, therefore Before you post think about it from the other teams perspective. Does this help your team or were you hired to help the Leafs. Too many people posting ridiculous trades that are very one sided. If everyone offered the Leafs 2nd and 3rd line players and failing prospects i.e. like Kadri for Kessel and Lupul you would go nuts. Example Omark because he has sick hands a 2nd and Gagner for Kessel. Doesn't it make you sick , Please be realistic in your trade proposals so you don't make other fans of hockey run over anyone they see in a Leaf's jersey I would keep Colborne and throw someone else into that deal in his place. Kuli doesn't fit on a Burke team?!?!?!? Have you ever even watched the Leafs play or are you just shooting your mouth off? If they gave schenn , simmonds and a second for him then and hes kinda struggling now. then what you offer from the leafs is to much, drop aulie then make the deal Kuli doesnt fit on a bb team time to leave LA needed Richards so I don't see them moving him at this time. As a prospect I think Brayden is rated higher than Colbourne
04 Feb 2012 14:25:21
Orr must have dummied some players on your team to earn that kind of respect The biggest move BB has done this year is send Orr to the AHL! GM of the year right there, enjoy the early tee times AGAIN leaf fans Armstrongs totals are 420 gms 202 pnts +27 359 pim I like this trade but Mac should stay a leaf. Add another play that can help Columbus and dump some salary (Armstrong) and add another prospect.
04 Feb 2012 13:45:23
Gustavsson > Wedgewood! Awesome so if reimer goes for a s**t again we go with....scrivens..doubt it! Ok say trade a goalie thats hot! for a goalie that might not develop? everyone remembers pogge dont they? cause he has paned out to be such a bad goalie after his amazing performance in the juniors...
04 Feb 2012 13:43:48
Oh God no, Edler is worth more Schenn and a 1st easily, and Schnieder is worth slightly more than Kadri and Gustavsson, making this trade horrifyingly unfair for Vancouver. Adding in Hodgson is just ludicrous Add Kulemin and Colborne That is awful for the Canucks. Go sit in the corner for ten minutes after proposing that trade cause you don't know nothin bout nothin If the leafs got lapierre i would never watch the leafs again Why do leaf fans over value Schenn so much? sure he isnt bad but he's not worth any of those players straight up other then Lapierre, Kadri isnt even close to hodgson That's stupid. And so are you for thinking of something completely crazy. No chance that vancouver does this. First of all hodgson looks like an up an coming star while kadri is still struggling. Schneider is expected to garner a huge return. Edler is playing way better than schenn, that why he is an all star. And finally lapierre is important to vancouver so the they can contend with teams like boston. The first on our side isnt enough to make up for the skill difference. Especially for a team whos supposed to make a run at the cup this year, why would they trade three roster players for these players? If kadri cant stay in the lineup for toronto whats the chance he can crack vancouvers lineup? Zero. And at this point schenn is a downgrade from edler Nucks say no way and i am a leaf fan...you gotta give them more as hodgson will be a good one and schneider is a # 1 goalie,edler is good as well, no lapierre he is a goof...counter offer is schenn, colbourne, gus, d'amigo, 1st rd pick Just like Matt Cooke. Like most, Brian Burke is not found on cowards....and Maxim Lapierre is a coward. I do not mind this type of trade in the off season. My 2 cents- do not trade Schenn or Bozak. One grit player is not enough. I do not think Van will do this trade, but it I like it but van city wont
04 Feb 2012 13:32:07
Ya sure, give the Kings the whole Leaf roster for Richards, then that way Richards can dawn the cape and be superman playing all by himself.....happy with that Anti-Leafs?? I thought so! LA needs scoringnot defense. Take out the LA 2nd andtake out Schennand add Connoly Not enough from Leafs plus Schenn is a #5 defenceman atleast on LA
04 Feb 2012 13:03:12
No thanks, Roy for a bag of pucks and its a done deal easy. Roy isn't even worth Schenn
04 Feb 2012 12:40:04
^men how many TB game have you watched, Stamkos is way more than just his one-timer - he plays lots of Defense, can Battle into corners, can grind it out, he is a Tremendous leader, and gets injured less than Giroux. Stamkos can't carry a steam with St Denis and Lecav on it. What makes you think he can carry it solo? Giroux is a leader and a play maker. Stamkos is an auto-shot directed at the net. Stamkos is better offensively but Giroux is more complete. ^ giroux better then stamkos?? check ur head buddy Stamkos can carry a team all alone, Giroux can't period. Giroux is way better than stamkos and im a leaf fan so i dont cheer for either team, stamkos is a one dimensional player That's not even close More like C.Giroux, Sean Couturier and 1st 2012, 1st 2013
04 Feb 2012 09:39:45
I think StL needs more help with scoring than they do defense. Their defense is among the best in the league, no need to tinker with it.... I think a team that is near last to draft could afford to throw a late 1st for him. Detroit seldom does much good with their 1st picks anyways I kinda like this one I just like the first trade TB needs a goalie that can step up an what better then a 6'7 one. Ok I agree Kubina is worth a 2nd. Kubina will get a 2nd from a good playoff team but that is the least Nash will want for the rights to Suter
04 Feb 2012 08:13:40
Temmu isnt going anywhere unless its the jets I could only see selanne go to WPG an thats still iffyy Ducks already said their not trading Teemu Selanne. Good deal for both teams
04 Feb 2012 06:02:32
^ Then why post it?
04 Feb 2012 05:17:02
Blah blah blah how do you know he will play in the KHL Semin has picked up his game and has a good realashionship with his new coach. Plus he's learned how to speak fluent English this year, he's a very talented player. Carolina gets robbed,Semin will
04 Feb 2012 04:47:24
Who cares who calls what line first or second, to me your first line is the line that does best that game line numbers mean nothing Why trade for Ryan and put him on the second line ? If he can't produce on the FIRST line with Getzlaf and Selanne how's is he going to do any better on the second ? Lupul is having a good year big deal, he's not bonafide. Sheesh It isn't what Carter is making that is the problem, it is the length of his contract. Whre's macarthur? and now we have lombardi in the linup after you traded him..and not enough for b ryan... Actually i like both those moves except for that hidious carter contract I agree with the Carter comment. He will be making just over $2 mil over the final years of his contract. You can get him for less than what CBJ traded for him Good thing you're not Burke
04 Feb 2012 04:42:46
Well reimer had two shutouts in a row so should we ask for ryan and getz for him now. you make no sense Carter isnt worth 5.25 because of his amazing 11 goals... kessel has potential to hit 40 easily! an if burke gets a #1 centre then i believe he will hit 40 every season! Good trade. And yeah it's so annoying, can't wait until the trade deadline when they get nothing, then there will be all of the offseason rumors lol @ leaf fans #losers Blah blah blah we don't want getzlaf...blah blah blah.... If you're sick of it tell the Leaf haters to stop posting the ridiculous trades, the real Leaf fans don't do that.... You sound like you jist got dumped after the prom ya baby, get over it ^^ couldn't agree with you more my friend. good post So why are u making a trade proposal about the leafs then
04 Feb 2012 04:27:09
Richards is 26 so you are getting a young player back and Ryan is 23? so you are getting youth as well...the komisarek for malone is old player for old player. You are giving up Aulie, Ross and Kadri and gaining 2 players back so you are really making 1 less player within the Maple Leafs system If GRabovski was signed than LA would have to consider but he's not so that would be a stupid trade for them Wow, trading all the young guns and prospects.... Grabo is staying. Gonna sign a 4 yr deal around 4 mil and get traded in 2 when the young guns sharpen up
04 Feb 2012 03:42:47
04 Feb 2012 03:33:55
Why would you say that Edmonton needs wingers? Edmonton needs defense - period. Why does Toronto think that everyone desperately needs whatever they're selling? ^ 3 days ago most people would have said this was an overpayment....don't think he will ever score 8 points again... You may need more then Mac and a third. Maybe Mac, 2nd, prospect.
04 Feb 2012 03:33:25
What would our 2nd line look like? The kings want schenn and kulimen plus connolly and possibly kadri and even possibly macarthour and quite frankly they might even quite possibly look at gustavsson to make a big splash once the playoffs are here.....a lot of possibilities but it is what it is. ^ if thats the case grabo and kulemin play like there 6'6 Richards plays like hes 6'4 so in a sense he is big They get a big #1 center? Maybe points wise but Richards is not big size wise and that line needs size. No LA is scouting the Leafs! M richards game has left him, his head is in..oh wait...la la land...why did the flyers trade him? don't want him on my team unlessd they take our kleenex boxes..aka connolly and kadri....lol.... Firstly LA will never trade richards, Secondly the leafs are scouting the kings and thirdly the kings never want any garbage the leafs have to offer. Is there anyway we can get bernier in this deal too? who would we have to add? aulie/kadri............done
04 Feb 2012 03:30:08
Hey buddy oilers will get weber not at the deadline but in the offseason Edmonton will not land Suter or Weber before the deadline. I have said this a million times now, you want Suter or Weber - suck it up and look at your best players. However, considering they won't touch the big 3, there's ZERO chance they could land one of them Why would edm want suter right now they can make a push 4 him in the offseason
04 Feb 2012 03:29:15
Kessel and Lupul go back the other way
04 Feb 2012 03:27:49
Goalie going one way= goalie going the other way
04 Feb 2012 02:47:08
Who ever said ellis is nothing does not watch hockey nothing more to say about that Exactly and Ellis and Hall played together in Windsor so they have chemistry already unlike Suter nor Weber plus those two guys are wayyyyy too expensive for the Oil Ellis is exactly the kind of player the Oilers are looking to get, a young puck moving d-man who can develop with the rest of our young stars. Hemsky is on his way out one way or another and Nashville has shown interest in him for a playoff drive. Bringing in Hemsky helps them now and maybe, just maybe, shows Suter that they are serious about becoming a cup contender for the next few years if they can resign Hemsky, and then possibly Suter resigns as well. Marincin is a quality defensive prospect with decent puck moving abilities so that compensates them for the loss of Ellis in a year or 2 and the second round pick covers the eventuallity that they cant resign Hemsky. All that being said I think this is a deal that works well for both teams for now and the future. Ellis is nothing take out hemsky and maybe Ryan Ellis won't be moved...too much uncertainty with Suter and Weber You must be a Nashville fan. Why don't you throw in Taylor Hall while you're at it.
04 Feb 2012 02:35:48
Mac and Grabo would become #2 and #4 in scoring on LA....so you saying there isn't enough value move is wrong... While were at it throw in gustavsson and try to get bernier To Los Angeles - Grabovski, Kulemin, Kadri & 2nd in 2012 Down years? I guess you don't realize that both Grabo and Mac are on pace to exceed last year's totals? Not enough value going to La , grabo ski unrestricted at seasons end , who is a 2nd line centre , mc Arthur is a 3rd line winger on La , kadri may or may not fulfill his expectations , blacker is a decent prospect but definitely 2 years away from maybe hitting the NHL and a 2nd has decent value , for a top line centre and top line winger a captain and an assistant captain.. For those 2 your looking at somthin like this Solid trade....i agree that only Kadri or Blacker is enough... Richards better than grabovski il give you that, grabovski better then brown. and MacCarthur as good as brown. I still wouldnt do this deal if you didnt add Kadri and Blacker and the 2nd. I would only add Blacker if we got Tofolli back Wow, that would be huge for both teams. I like the trade, but I dont think it will get done, not saying I wouldn't love to see it because I would. So I say let's get her done!!
04 feb 2012 02:05:37
Habs fan... Too much from Leafs R U nuts. That trade was a straight up player swap, Schenn For JVR. But leafs don't need a yet another promising young forward to fight for a spot.
04 feb 2012 02:03:46
04 Feb 2012 01:57:10
Who do they get that was one of last years toplines? I don't see anyone going to LA that was near a topline and if so why are you trading them. ^ Richards, Brown makes more sense now that I think about it Id rather the 2nd line we have now. thats a stupid trade You really shot for the stars here...keep it simple
04 Feb 2012 01:53:29
Love the first one Think the first trade is spot on but the second wont happen change gunner for aulie and maybe Where'd bozak go??
04 Feb 2012 00:43:51
Whats the point of building a team if you trade away all your prospects for other teams players. The reason the leafs have been terrible for the past 10 years is they trade their first round pick plus prospects before they breakout for older guys who have had their prime breakout years. aka tukka rask, tyler seguin, ponikarovski and stempniak even though were never great we got nothing in return for them, same with antropov, heres some draft picks they traded away - luongo, logan couture, not to mention taking jiri tylusti over lucic, giroux, chris stewart. Trading their first round pick in 2003 plus prospects for old timer Owen Nolan. where 2003 draft was maybe the best draft year in the past decade with players like eric stall, marc andre fleury, nathan horton, thomas vanek, ryan kesler, corry perry, mike richards, ryan getzlaf, zach parise, jeff carter, ryan suter all going in the first round plus many other allstars. @ the long comment Kulemin is a left handed shot....i also like his defense a bit more than Lupul...he would be great on the 1st line IMO Whats the point of building a team if you trade away all your prospects for other teams players. The reason the leafs have been terrible for the past 10 years is they trade their first round pick plus prospects before they breakout for older guys who have had their prime breakout years. aka tukka rask, tyler seguin, ponikarovski and stempniak even though were never great we got nothing in return for them, same with antropov, heres some draft picks they traded away - luongo, logan couture, not to mention taking jiri tylusti over lucic, giroux, chris stewart. Trading their first round pick in 2003 plus prospects for old timer Owen Nolan. where 2003 draft was maybe the best draft year in the past decade with players like eric stall, marc andre fleury, nathan horton, thomas vanek, ryan kesler, corry perry, mike richards, ryan getzlaf, zach parise, jeff carter, ryan suter all going in the first round plus many other allstars. I'd buy it if Anaheim committed to a full out rebuild Not happening. get real Kulemin-Getslaf-Kessel Looove it.
04 Feb 2012 00:37:35
Take out clb pick and you may have deal Nevermind carter, im looking at that 2012 1st, probably 1st overall, columbus would have to be severely disabled to trade that pick Why dont you throw in a couple more players since your in such a generous state of mind Take out Franson. Not a chance. Carter will be moved for way less than the package Philly got for him.
04 Feb 2012 00:35:17
B/c we're leaf fans and we want everyone to play here.....not your crappy team(s)......thats why!! ^^ Just like the leafs are going to land getzlaf, staal, statsny, stamkos, parise, ryan, malone, and theres probably more. Why dont u leaf fans ever learn? Los angeles just landed him why are they going to trade him. Not everybody comes to the leafs. Be realistic Leafs will land richards b4 the deadline
04 Feb 2012 00:29:33
You wanna see schenn get better? get rid of that joker behind the bench...does a crap job of coaching young talent..bring in dallas eakins..hes worked wonders for the guys who went to the AHL like colborne, frattin, kadri, aulie etc Probably not as good as Kronwall but like the others Rookie of the month for bum of the year? in what world...oh yeah, leaf land!
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