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02 Nov 2018 17:08:28
Leafs have been bad in their zone this year and with so much (potential) offence up front we can spare some on the back end

Gardiner.J, 4th-2019
for
Lovejoy.B, 2nd-2019

Both are UFA's at the end of the season. Devils can use offence from the back end and Lovejoy is a RHD with playoff experience who is more of a defensive dman.

Re Sign
Nylander 7 years
Years 1-3 $ 6 mil
Years 4-5 $ 7 mil
Years 6-7 $ 8 mil

Brown-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-Kapanen
Johnson-Gauthier-Lindholm
Ennis

Reilly-Hainsey
Zaitsev-Oz
Dermott-Lovejoy
Holl

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02 Nov 2018 17:30:26
Any trade involving Gardiner is a good trade. Not sure if Leafs would take another pending UFA in return. Maybe wanting futures if they trade Gardiner. But Lovejoy would be cheaper to re-sign and we upgrade our pick. Dubas, make this trade.

02 Nov 2018 10:13:44
Tor:Nylander

Van:Virtanen

Toronto goes up two row in the 2014 draft. Good deal?

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02 Nov 2018 12:13:06
You like to troll a lot hey.

02 Nov 2018 17:19:30
Is this GoldenShowers?

02 Nov 2018 17:37:26
Vamcouver has to add. Virtanen hasn’t blossomed the way Vancouver hoped when they drafted him. He’s off to a good start this year though. May finally see him breakout and reach potential. Love his size.

02 Nov 2018 18:16:56
I love how my Goldenshowers knick name stuck around.

02 Nov 2018 19:09:41
Virtanen is averaging more goals, assists, plus minus, TOI, better Corsi %, shots and takeaways than Nylander this season so I think Toronto adds in a first round pick to make up the difference.

02 Nov 2018 19:10:37
I can't remember all of his different names. It changed so often that one of them had to stick.

02 Nov 2018 19:29:49
Bad attempt at humour AO99.

03 Nov 2018 22:09:12
Yupp: He’s posted more trades in two days than you have in two months. So who exactly is doing the trolling?

05 Nov 2018 00:26:38
As a canucks fan I would never want nylander on the team. he isn't a team guy. I would definatly rather have virtanen!

02 Nov 2018 10:02:31
Toronto:Nylander(unsigned),Sandin,2rd pick 2019

Min:Dumba

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02 Nov 2018 13:44:34
Leafs add Mathews.

02 Nov 2018 17:39:36
Not so unrealistic. Sandin has a high ceiling, and Wild can use Nylander’s offense. Trading him unsigned lowers his value, so the pick and Sandin help compensate for that. Using the Johansson for Jones trade as precedent, this trade isn’t so far fetched.

02 Nov 2018 18:10:46
He will only be traded to a team with a deal in place. Leafs would rather him sit out a yeah than make that garbage trade.

02 Nov 2018 19:08:48
Minny adds Parise.

02 Nov 2018 03:03:24
Cal - Juuso Valimaki + Eetu Tuulola + Mark Jankowski + 2nd Rd Pick
Tor - William Nylander + Nikita Zaitsev

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02 Nov 2018 04:13:55
I like the size of all these guys. Valimaki is the prize here, but he still has a lot left to prove before we trade Nylander for him. Jankowski hasn’t done much yeat and is looking like he never will. Too early to tell what Tuulola brings ro the table.

Leafs pass. The rebuild is over. They will be looking for pieces that will be contributing immediately in a meaningful way. It’s too risky taking on all these guys that still have a lot to prove when Nylander and Zaitsev have both demonstrated they are capable of playing good hockey at NHL level.

02 Nov 2018 10:14:23
Leafs take that and run.

03 Nov 2018 18:35:12
Leafsgm, nylander scored 20 goals last year, jankowski had 17 in a lot less ice time and not playing with Mathews so you're straight up wrong.

03 Nov 2018 18:40:43
Calgary gives up way to much imo, if jankowski got a chance on the top line sure he would put up nylander numbers easily. Nylander wants to much money for a 20 goal 60 point guy, nobody wants him or he'd be dealt by now, heck, his own team doesn't want him at what he's asking, was surprised to see he was born in Calgary.

02 Nov 2018 02:25:14
I understand that this is probably not enough for Gost but maybe this would work

Tor: Nylander (unsigned they have to negotiate), Zaitsev, prospect (maybe Bracco?)

Phi: Gost

Let me know what you think. This is just an idea and with Dubas having appeared to have scouted Philly figured I'd throw something out there.

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02 Nov 2018 02:56:04
Wayy too much imo

02 Nov 2018 03:39:08
Gostisbehere has 155 points in 232 games played. As a defenseman. He makes the same as Zaitsev, while putting up more points than Nylander.

You are absolutely correct. This is nowhere close to enough for him.

02 Nov 2018 10:00:22
Ghost is a 4th forward ( constantly back checking) not what the leafs need.

02 Nov 2018 10:03:31
"Way too much" lol
Leafs take this and run before they're arrested for highway robbery.
Such an easy no for PHI, Zaitsev close to negative value with the contract he's attached to btw.

02 Nov 2018 13:45:57
Let me guess Nylander for Callahan is a fair swap?

@The_Triplets.

02 Nov 2018 14:19:59
Weak comment, VB. Out of context and overpainting the picture, also not funny. Try sticking to the original proposal, eh
Nylander doesn't get Gostisbehere, easy as that.

02 Nov 2018 17:14:26
Why dosent he? He’s a young top player. Better then Point offensively he is posed to break out this season. Also Point is not Selke candidate.

02 Nov 2018 18:07:40
Why wouldn't he get you Ghost.?
Ya Ghost is good on power play, and gets points. but unless he has changed from last season, he's not very good in his own end. Is he any better? Been awhile since I watched him.

02 Nov 2018 18:21:17
So you think Ghost is worth Nylander because he's "poised to break out" (opinion) and a "Selke candidate" (opinion) ?
Yaaa. I like Nylander but Ghost has more value than Nylander. And it's not close.

If ghost was a Leaf you would be screaming he's a Norris candidate or something and not worth a winger! Lol.

02 Nov 2018 20:59:08
Personally. I'd take Nylander also. Ghost and Barrie, I think are the two most overrated D in the game.

03 Nov 2018 00:27:34
Where did Braydon Point come into this?

03 Nov 2018 18:48:25
And he's not poised to break out this season, he's poised to not play cause he thinks he's pretty much worth to be 1 of the top 10-15 paid players in the league.

02 Nov 2018 02:12:27
to Minnesota
Nylander

to Toronto
Brodin
Belpedio

Brodin will play top 4 minutes. Belpedio hasn't quite broken through at the pro level but he still was a monster in college and probably will be useful down the line.

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02 Nov 2018 02:56:49
Would rather Dumba tbh from a leafs perspective

02 Nov 2018 03:44:31
I’m not seeing it. Brodin is good, sure, but Leafs can do better than him for Nylander. Using the Johansson for Jones trade as precedent, you got to think Nylander is worth Dumba, and nothing less.

02 Nov 2018 10:01:10
Nylander worth Dumba? Ahahahahabababababab

02 Nov 2018 13:46:25
Nylander>>Anyone on Montreal.

02 Nov 2018 18:22:24
A little surprised you would rather have winger Nylander than number one goalie or D Price or Weber VB.
Or is this just yet another one of them times you over exaggerate?

02 Nov 2018 19:05:45
VB, where did that come from? lol.

02 Nov 2018 19:07:43
@vbbbb yeah yeah we know.

02 Nov 2018 19:11:35
I'm not sure how Montreal got dragged into this post. Nylander is a great player and all but at this point in time, someone playing hockey is worth more than someone not playing hockey, lol.

03 Nov 2018 03:48:13
So wge u say better is this context u mean value wise. So value wise atm

Kotkaniemi>Nylander
Gallagher>Nylander
Price>Nylander
Drouin> Nylander.

02 Nov 2018 01:31:13
Tor nylander gardier

Boston debrusk carlo 2rd pick

Tor 1 rd pick

Edler


Debrusk mathews kapanen
Marlue tavars marner
Hyman kadri brown

Reilly carlo
Edler nikta z
Dermont hainsey

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02 Nov 2018 02:57:05
Not getting Carlo

02 Nov 2018 03:50:59
Boston can’t afford to make this trade anyway, so no point even discussing the merits of the players involved. We would have to take back another $6M more in salary over and above DeBrusk and Carlo somehow. Finances alone prevents this trade from happening.

02 Nov 2018 21:17:20
Debrusk is a fan favourite in Boston I don’t think they’d want to trade him.

03 Nov 2018 03:49:09
Where is Edler coming from?

01 Nov 2018 15:22:06
Out of all the teams That insiders kinda picked as having the most interest in Nylander (Carolina, Minny, NYR, LA) there’s a mid 20s Dman with term that would be an obvious centrepiece except LA.

Looking at what they could possibly trade that make the leafs happy is harder. Obviously drew doughty is a superstar RHD still in his 20s but that ship sailed when he signed that extension. Their other Dmen are either older, not established enough or Dion Phaneuf lol. I’m a fan of Muzzin but he’s turning 30 and left handed. I would be fine with the age if he was a righty or being a lefty if he was younger, but straying from both those criteria seems like it’s reaching

So a very out of the box idea came to me. What about trying for a package including the rights to Slava Voynov?! He is reportedly looking to come back to the NHL. He’s a 28 year old RHD, high skill, 2 way, great skater. He looked amazing at the Olympics (albeit not a best on best tourney) . Now what complicates things is that he still owes the league a suspension upon his return and domestic assault is a very sensitive topic right now in society and Toronto (Blue Jays just traded a good young pitcher for similar accusations).

I wouldn’t trade a young player like Nylander with his potential and upside for just the rights to a guy who hasn’t played in the NHL in 3 years, but he could be a steal if he returns to form. But LA also has some decent prospects and veteran wingers with size (Clifford similar to a Kassian) who could take Kapanens spot in the bottom 6 since he replaces Nylander in the top 6.

It’s an ‘out there’ thought but if there’s no perfect 1-for-1 deal out there that makes sense for both teams, maybe a package that fills a RHD, size and grit up front and stash a prospect or pick for the future could work

What do you think?!

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01 Nov 2018 17:09:48
Isnt this similar to why you wouldn't want Kassian? Maybe not worth the hassle. I agree Voynov would probably be good for the Leafs however, it's been a few years. and with domestic violence front and center in everything these days, I think this is a distraction the Leafs don't need. and neither does Voynov of he comes back. As a Leafs fan, you already know, things will be blown up 100× more .
I'm not defending Voynov, not at all. But. if he's going to come back. best to got to an American team, where he can roam about and maybe not get noticed as much. he wouldn't get that privacy in Canada.
I understand ya want to improve your team Jim. just this is one I'd stay away from.

01 Nov 2018 17:14:35
I read an article today with a headline "Nylander for Faulk? "
And the article lists Car and LAK as interest for Nylander and offering Faulk/ Pesce or Muzzin/ Martinez. The article also mentions how old the LAK guys are as well.

01 Nov 2018 19:18:40
I agree with Sosa. You don’t want a party animal on the team but a wife beater is ok? He’s a really good defenseman but it sounds like trouble.

01 Nov 2018 19:40:25
Toronto is at a disadvantage with every team interested in Nylander because unless its a sign and trade not too many teams would want this Leafs headache. This reason alone would decrease Nylanders value and it will get worse the closer it gets to Dec 1st.

01 Nov 2018 23:50:26
@sosa, i hear ya. But for a RHD who if he never left the NHL would be a top pair guy easily I believe, could be worth it. The cost to acquire a top pair, or even top 4 RHD is so expensive, that getting one with a history like his may be the only way right now. And at the same time address a cpl other things.

With Kassian, acquiring players like him is not difficult or rare. Not at all in the same realm as a top pair Dman so I would just get one without the History and eliminate that risk. I’m no fan of Voynovs behaviour either, but it wouldn’t be for a 4th liner. It’s for the chance at a very undervalue top D.

Reminds me of The kaepernick thing. He doesn’t have a job because he protested? NO, he doesn’t have a job because he sucked and protested. If we have learned anything over the years it’s that people forgive players in all sports as long as their on field/ on court/ on ice performance outweighs their private life’s BS. Tom Brady could have any of field problems he wants, be a complete douche and he would have a job because he wins.

I would much rather find a deal with a good, solid RH top pair or too 4 guy locked up long term. Which is why pesce at 4 mill for 6 years looks like a near perfect fit, but this is just spit balling something I hadn’t heard anywhere else.

LA wants offense, and wants to get younger and has been linked to Nylander. Leafs are close to contending which means they either need Nylander signed or need d help for him. Voynov wants to come back. Just thinking there’s a possible long shot fit.

01 Nov 2018 23:56:43
@Islandjet. Obviously it would always be a contract in place. That’s extremely obvious. Same as when leafs got Kessel in a similar situation and Habs got Drouin and just about every other big name RFA deal.

02 Nov 2018 00:51:28
I get it Jim. but take all of our thoughts out of it. what would worry me, ( there was talk Bergevin had interest in summer) . Is the media wouldn't let it go. and then he wouldn't even be able to go get a coffee in hockey crazy Toronto or Montreal or wherever in Canada.

If the guy is granted permission to come back. I think, for his sake. Best to go somewhere and be low key.

If none of the off ice stuff had ever happened, he's exactly what your team needs. he was really good player., and I'm sure still good
I agree somewhat, that this is different than acquiring a guy like Kassian.
Just a lot of risk. and a lot of drama for a market than can make anything even more dramatic than it needs to be.

02 Nov 2018 03:52:54
Would the US even allow Voynov back in the country I wonder? He still has to face deportation hearing there. He fled the country remember.

02 Nov 2018 04:34:39
That I don't know about., but was wondering about all that stuff. The legality of it all.

02 Nov 2018 10:25:51
Makes sense for sure. Well I was at the leafs/ stars tonight and Carolina sent 3 scouts and assistant GM Rick Dudley to watch which makes us think there could be something in the works. Then leafs bring Justin Holl, a 26 year old RHD, in to play his first game of the season (had 2 goals in his only 2 games last season) . Could it be that if Carolina is thinking of a deal involving Nylander and Pesce, that it would be a bit bigger and they want a Cheap RHD going back? Seemed like a ‘showcase’ call up but I’m just speculating/ guessing. Maybe Nylander and Holl for Pesce and a forward with size? Julien Gauthier?! Who knows. Fun to watch tho. We will see.

02 Nov 2018 12:18:11
It's fun to watch your GM say "we can and we will sign the big 3" and then not be able to get the job done and an important part of your team hold out and miss the first 12+ games of the season? Doesn't seem like much fun. Need him in the lineup or should have said F you and traded him already if it's the player being a dick. Figure it out not let it drag on this long.

02 Nov 2018 13:28:52
Imagine how crazy you would trash me if someone like Nurse held out and I said its "fun to watch tho".

02 Nov 2018 15:12:52
There is no shame in A GM realizing something isn't going to work and its time to change tactics. TOR GM needs to part ways with Nylander and land a young dman (pesce) to cover the #1 duties until TL is ready.

02 Nov 2018 18:10:23
I meant the trade speculation is fun to watch. Didn’t you just post something asking what cool stories are around the nhl? I know this isn’t new, but it’s easily he biggest off ice story in the league right now. I’ve said all along he should stay firm with Nylander. I don’t want him traded but if they trade him, I get it. I started by saying I still think he gets signed.

Dubas is playing the long game with a young player who has very little leverage, that’s doing his job. This decision determines the landscape of the team for 5+ years, why would I be upset about 12 games when the payoff or pain could last 5-10 years? Pretty short sighted comment. I was critical of Chiarelli about lucic contract, trading the Barzal pick, trading Taylor Hall. And those mistakes are going to cause pain to the franchise for 5-10 years. I can be patient for Dubas to do everything possible to avoid a mistake. We are okay man lol.

02 Nov 2018 18:15:53
Plus every day that passes, Nylanders cap hit for years 2-7 gets cheaper and is added onto this season where we are flush with cash and cap space. Again, I don’t believe this is a premeditated strategy, but his assistant GM did write the CBA and is well aware of that loophole. It is a nice added incentive not to cave early and overpay him or trade him for less than fair value.

02 Nov 2018 18:30:42
You were able to post positive things for like 36 hrs and hit your limit lol after saying you were tired of all the leafs/ oilers talk and arguing you jump on a leafs thread to chirp. And you’re right, the GM should just say F you and trade him in a hurry. Because that is never backfired before. No team in the league has traded a good young offensively talented winger for a decent Dman and then a year later said “damn that guy would look good beside our superstar centre, huh? ”. Oh wait, oilers did that with Hall, right? Then he went to the playoffs and won the Hart trophy? But you’re right, no need to be patient, just trade him and deal with the consequences later.

02 Nov 2018 21:17:15
I would see his Nylander situation it as frustrating, The opposite of fun. Nothing about one of your better players sitting out seems fun to me. Lmao, So you can post comments about Leafs stuff, but I can't comment myself?

All I said was that this Nylander situation doesn't seem like much fun and you're triggered.

02 Nov 2018 22:29:48
No. I said trade speculation is fun to watch, which is why we all joined this site, isn’t it? Lol and you flip that into dubas is failing and I’m having fun when I should be panicked lol it’s 12 games in.

01 Nov 2018 11:01:28
Mtl: Juulsen

Ari: Dylan S

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01 Nov 2018 13:30:06
Not sure Arizona is willing to give up on Strome yet. I don’t think Montreal does this either. Juulsen is a very good orospect who looks like he has a bright future ahead of him. Montreal will likely be wanting to move older and more expensive players such as Alzner and Petry out before trading their youth.

01 Nov 2018 14:13:20
Ya my reasoning is that Arizona's defense is actually quite good on the left side with Chychrun and OEL but on the right side theyres just old plugs. Juulsen is not a prospect anymore he actually is as much nhl proven as Strome.

01 Nov 2018 15:37:57
No thanks. Quite happy with Juulsen.
Our future down the middle is looking a lot better. With Kotkaniemi, eventually Suzuki and Poehling. could be a decent group of centers.

01 Nov 2018 10:50:02
Mtl:Gallagher,2 rd 2019

Columbus:Panarin(7 years@ 8.2 million)

This trade comes with the same clause that George McPhee had in the Pacioretty trade. That is that mtl would have to be able to talk to Panarin and his agents and get a deal done. Obviously I don't believe for a second that Gallagher is on Panarin level but considering Columbus might loose him for nothing, not a bad return. In the third year of contract theyres a 7.5 million bonus for Panarin

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01 Nov 2018 13:26:04
Columbus might want someone younger. A prospect player that will be around for a long time along, with a first round pick.

If they don’t get a better offer, I’m sure they would accept this. But I also think they will get a better offer.

01 Nov 2018 16:11:26
The asking price for Panarin is a good young player, a good prospect and a 1st round pick.
Also, i don't think MTL would be a place he would want to play. Everything i heard was about American markets.

01 Nov 2018 17:13:01
I'm probably going to get roasted for this. But I wouldn't want to trade Gallagher for Panarin.
Obviously Panarin is the more skilled player., however ya just can't measure the other things Gallagher brings to the team. Weber may be the captain., however Gallagher is the Emotional leader of the team.

01 Nov 2018 23:07:34
Ya soda I get why you don't want to trade him I honestly don't want to trade him either but Panarin is a really good player and Marc B tried to acquire him on multiple occasion when he was in Chicago so I thought of the trade and also I thought Columbus wanted a ready now peace and not prospects.

01 Nov 2018 23:52:02
I honestly don't think habs would trade gallahger I think carey price would be traded first and they don't intend to trade him anytime soon.

 


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