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11 Jul 2018 21:05:29
Three way deal

Karlsson
Pacioretty
Alzner to Canucks


Montreals 2019 1st,Victor Mete
Vancouvers 2019 1st,2020 2nd, and Joulevi
to Ottawa


Brandon Sutter, Gudbranson to Montreal

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11 Jul 2018 21:15:16
Hahahaha. Wtf.
You're going to get some screaming form Habs fans. This is absolutely laughable from a Habs stand point.
Pacioretty, 2019 1st, Mete, Alzner for Sutter and Gudbranson? Lmao
Karlsson for ALL that? What are you smoking.

11 Jul 2018 21:36:44
so @Thatguy can you justify how Habs profit from this?

Like they trade a consistent 30+ goal, 60+ point guy, a possible top
10 pick, there best D-prospect and maybe an overpaid D but not a terrible one and get an injury pron 3rd-line C and a replacement for Alzner.

Because I can not see any profit from this.

13 Jul 2018 13:45:13
ottawa takes this and runs
vancouver laughs to the bank
montreal cries into a poutine
why would montreal do this. at all?

13 Jul 2018 16:14:25
Canucks would laugh... far in the phone then hang up... why would a rebuilding team take patches... and EK the main trade prices.....

20 Jul 2018 14:47:58
Unless montreal and vancouver are both lottery teams in next offseason this deal is horrible for the sens.

Who the heck is mate and jolevi? Honestly.

11 Jul 2018 17:47:17
Blues trade: Fabbri, jaskin

Hurricanes trade: skinner

Schwartz schenn tarasenko
Skinner oreilly Perron
Maroon bozak steen
Barbashev Thomas soshnikov

Edmundson pietrangelo
Gunnarson parayko
Boumeester Dunn

Allen

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11 Jul 2018 19:35:06
Cue redwing.

11 Jul 2018 21:29:44
Skinner makes 5.75 mil

Fabbri makes .975
Jaskin makes 1.1 mil

Blues have 3.5 Mil left to sign Edmondson and Schmaltz

So -2 mil for Fabbri Jaskin makes Skinner cost3.75 which is more than blues have and means they lose their #1lhd and #3 Rhd for skinner who is another lhs left wing.

Currently Blues have the following LHS lw
Schwartz
Fabbri
perron
Steen
Maroon

Rather keep edmundson and Fabbri and cap.

11 Jul 2018 13:44:43
Ok so how about this. I actually would mind this just because its would give Ottawa a toughness they've really never had.

Ott : Karlsson, Anderson (g)

Cal : m. Tkechuck, andersson (defense prospect), and a 1st

Then if that happens.

Ott : gaborik, 5th

EDM : lucic

Tkechuck duchene Ryan
Tkechuck brown stone
Lucic pageau boadker
Dzingle Smith paajarvi

White and chlapic as scratches

Chabot wideman
Andersson ceci
Lajoie borowieski

Might not be as skilled as leafs up front but would definitely be hard team to play against and tough as nails.

Calgary adds both the goalie they desperately need and the best defenceman in the world.

Edmonton gets rid of useless lucic AHL may find a way in Ottawa to rejuvenate his career.

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11 Jul 2018 14:44:03
Mike Smith - 36 years old
55gp 25 wins 2.65GAA .916sv%

Craig Anderson -37 years old
58gp 23 wins. 3.32GAA. .898sv%

Thanks for solving Calgary’s goaltending problems lol Craig Anderson is what they ‘desperately need? ’ Haha

Secondly, Calgary’s blue line is not where they need help. It’s scoring wingers and also being hard to play against (tkachuk) . With Giordano, Brodie, hanifin, hamonic they’re solid. So again Sens are clearly giving the best player, but this trade helps them way more than it helps Calgary. Anyone would want to add Karlsson, but flames are losing what they really need to gain a luxury that should not a major concern for them. Why?

11 Jul 2018 15:05:54
lol. Calgarys MVP was their goalie Smith last season. Geez.

11 Jul 2018 16:41:36
I feel like Stone would be more of an interest then Karlsson.

Stone ( RFA ) and Dizingel for Tkachuk and Brower ( cap )

Dizingel replaces Tkachuk on the 2nd line making Dizingel-Backlund-Lindholm. Then Stone give them that top line RW they “desperately need” who is litterly the perfect fit for Mohnahan-Guadreau

Meanwhile Tkachuk is only 20 and already a presance in the NHL. Could be the bright spot for Ottawa’s future.

11 Jul 2018 18:18:32
Vbbvbb first off stone going no where

2nd off no chance brower would be part of a deal like this stone => tkechuck and dzingle >>>>>>> brower plus no cap issue with dzingle like brower


How you come up with you player trade value is beyond comprehension.

11 Jul 2018 18:12:33
Fair enough on calgary's needs though I do believe it's an upgrade in nets yes Andy coming off a bad season but so is the entire Ottawa team as a whole. he has proven he can steal games when needed and he steps up huge in playoffs. Smith however I've never really been sold on since he played for Tampa.

The needs thing makes sense though I can agree with that to a degree but then again they did just sign neal to approach that couldn't they flip gio for a forward? Word is he is on block.

11 Jul 2018 19:29:51
Stone is about to be a lot more expensive and Calargry will need to dump cap to fit in 7-8 million for Stone. Tkachuk definitely has more value. Ottawa has no need for cap space as they’ll be near last place in the nhl for a few seasons.

11 Jul 2018 21:03:49
Tkechuck has slightly more cap value temporarily until his entry contract expires but stone has more skill value at both ends of ice and term value as well seeing as how when tkechuck is due for a new contract the average rate will be higher than it is now while stone is locked up at cheaper rate.

Hence stone =/ > tkechuck

Ottawa will not be last, though it is a tough time they do still have a skilled team. Carolina Arizona rangers Detroit calgary Edmonton Vancouver islanders are all just as bad if not worst and most of them don't have as many skilled players like stone Karlsson (or what ever we get for him) duchene brown tkechuck chabot wideman dzingle and yes, boadker and ryan.

11 Jul 2018 22:02:31
At the moment it looks like Stone is heading to arbitration. If he is not signed long term before then he will walk away with a one-year deal ending him with him a free agent.

You can bet your bottom dollar he would be entertaining offers from other teams at that point, perhaps eager to escape the dumpster fire that is the Ottawa Senators organization.

But I'm sure Melnyk will be eager to pay the man before then, right? He's never low-balled a star player or anything.

11 Jul 2018 22:39:32
vbbbvvbb, did u just say M. Tkatchuk has more value than mark stone. Have you watched mark stone play. He single-handedly carried Ottawa last year with points (averaged over 1 point a game). Yes Matthew is a good player, but he's nowhere near Mark Stone's level of play and Hockey IQ.

11 Jul 2018 23:49:46
Lol mark Stone is arbitration bound and almost guaranteed he’s leaving via UFA next season if he’s not traded.

12 Jul 2018 00:33:42
I love Stone Crinamally underated. He is the best offensive player on the Sens but they should trade him he’s in his prime and almost certainly won’t spend his prime years in the dumpster fire of Ottawa he'll sign a one year contract and he’ll probably leave via trade at the deadline or as an UFA . He had the best giveaway/ Takeway ratio in 2016/ 2017 in the nhl and is an Elite 2 way presance

But Tkachuk has more value he’s 5 years younger and strong defensively and offensively. Potential 70 point man. He’s also elite physically which is rare these days I believe he’d be a fan favourite in Ottawa with Karlsson leaving he’s be the face of the Franchise.

Maybe Calargry would need to add a prospect like Anderson ( NHL ready RHD )

12 Jul 2018 03:50:44
I'll take a bet on stone not leaving Ottawa Mike. name your price but make sure you're willing to pay up.

12 Jul 2018 15:02:08
Not sure the allowance you get from your mom is something you should be gambling.

I don't think it's more likely that Stone leaves than stays, and if it were any other organization in the league would 100% expect Stone to be signed long term before he gets to arbitration. But this IS the Senators we are talking about, so I would not be surprised by any means if Melnyk low balls Stone and refuses the offer, heads to arbitration, signs a one year deal via arbitration, and then tests free agency next summer.

If Melnyk is not willing to pay him what he is worth, it's not like there is a lot of reasons right now to stick around long-term on a hometown discount. The team is going to be garbage for the next few years.

13 Jul 2018 15:12:56
The team will not be garbage 1 bad year after all that garbage drama doesn't change things.
Hoffman out tkechuck in takes care of that.
phaneuf gone is a huge plus.
Karlsson healthy or the crazy return we could get for him will help emensly.
Brassard I never really liked anyway so brown can fill that role no issue.
The only possible worry would be the looming Anderson trade and who would take his place.

Aside from all that they still have duchene stone pageau and dzingle. Boadker despite over payed adds quickness and a little skill, Ryan still puts up respectable numbers, chabot going to break out even more especially if Karlsson gets traded. And their prospect pool is vastly underrated and highly skilled.

They play be a playoff bubble team might make it in might not but won't be a bottom feeder again this year. And if melnick paid Ryan like he did he will pay stone.

13 Jul 2018 17:42:44
Rambo, no one will actually bet with you. You ‘guaranteed’ the top 10 pick + for hoffman and now that you’re wrong you say its a joke and a technicality because they should have got more lol

If I bet you on stone leaving and he walks via UFA, you will say it doesn’t count because they didn’t even really want him anymore.

15 Jul 2018 17:13:43
Jim, take the bet or close your mouth. the fact is haffman is worth a top 5 to 10 pick whether you like him or not. We did get fleeced on that deal because our GM is incompetent. brian Murray could have gotten that maybe more for Hoffman if he were still alive and in charge. even muckler could do better seeing as how he got the 2nd overall (spezza), chara, and a 3rd piece for yashin.

And I believe my guarentee was we could get that if we had a better GM that wasn't named pierre dorian.

11 Jul 2018 07:05:29
Islanders trade: Lee, pulock, ho sang, 2nd round pick 2019

Blue jackets trade: Panarin, Murray

What do you guys think about this?

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11 Jul 2018 12:27:40
that package might get you panarin.

11 Jul 2018 02:17:01
CLB: Panarin
MTL: Pacioretty

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11 Jul 2018 07:48:43
Lmao really?

11 Jul 2018 13:48:53
not even close, montreal adds.

11 Jul 2018 14:44:57
I hope the ‘believeable’ was himself lol can’t be 2 that think this is legit, right?

11 Jul 2018 15:01:05
I think you should regroup, research and then come back with a counter proposal. You can already chalk this up as a loss.

11 Jul 2018 02:16:23
BUF: Nylander, Reinhart
CLB: Panarin

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11 Jul 2018 12:28:50
columbus takes and runs
buffalo asks for more.

11 Jul 2018 15:05:29
Don’t think Columbus takes this and Runs it’s basically Rienhart and a late 1st/ early 2nd for a top 5 player for his position. Nylander has been very disappointing sadly.

Rienhart+ is a good base tho maybe this is actually a good deal not sure if buffalo would want to trade 2 former top 10 picks in the same trade tho.

11 Jul 2018 15:37:11
Why would Columbus take this and run? They get a top 20 point guy in the league and their franchise most points ever guy for a couple disappointments?

10 Jul 2018 21:42:53
Word is Montreal isn't going to extend pacciorety. They are going to trade Him ASAP

Montreal: Pacciorety
Penguins: Carl Hagelin, Zach Aston Reese, 2019 2nd, 2019 4th, Conditional 2021 2nd (if Pacciorety resigns)

Or
Montreal: Pacciorety, conditional 2019 4th ( if pacciorety doesn't resign, pick becomes 3rd)
Wild: Erickson Ek, 2019 1st

Pacciorety value is at a low. Coming off a terrible season(for him), 1year left, and teams know that Montreal isn't going to resign him, so they have to trade him

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10 Jul 2018 22:06:50
Montreal would pass on both of those. But it’s MB so you never know.

10 Jul 2018 23:56:03
It’s terrible asset management. They make it known they don’t want him. That loses leverage anyway, but then to hold a press conference preaching attitude and character over skill, then next time news comes out of MBs office it’s saying patches isn’t welcome back. So not only did they lose leverage, but now they raise red flags about pacciorettys character (that may or may not be true) to some teams that otherwise might have been interested. Some teams will not inquire about him, or offer far less if they think he could be a problem.

Like Sens holding onto Hoffman for a better offer at the deadline, knowing all this dressing room crap was going on, and then sold him at pennies on the dollar when it hit the news. But this isn’t media releasing a bad story, this is MB devaluing his own captain lol.

11 Jul 2018 01:42:05
Think the Minnesota one isn't bad, get a 1st and a decent player, think that's really all they can expect at this point. Be better if it was expected to be a higher pick. Maybe a little more especially if there's a contract agreement.

11 Jul 2018 02:10:09
No Jim it's mostly media. You should know about that.

11 Jul 2018 02:31:40
With regards to Hoffman if the Sens did know about this they would have had to disclose this info to the other teams they were trying to trade him to. and if for some reason they could lie that they didn't know and get away with it it would still be frowned upon by all the other gms the same way an offer sheet is when it did come out.

11 Jul 2018 02:33:17
There has been 500 pacioretty rumors this summer by people claiming to have a source but none have actually happened. People must remember the media in montreal is bad when things are going well look out when they are not.

11 Jul 2018 09:22:47
Not enough from Pittsburgh and too much from Minnesota IMO.

11 Jul 2018 12:30:12
too much from pittsburgh
and i'd say yes from minnesota provided the 1st is lottery protected (close 2019 or 2020)

11 Jul 2018 13:43:35
The Pitt trade is atrocious for Montreal.
The minny trade I can’t see them making that at all.

11 Jul 2018 13:45:08
If that's what i'm getting for patches in keeping him ans hoppin to extended or get more at dealine. But not worth lettint him for hopes. Need something now if in letting e0 goals walk out this season.

11 Jul 2018 15:24:17
@Habby, I don’t think there’s any rule about disclosing wife drama like a physical injury lol but even if they were to disclose it in private trade talks, it would have been a lot better for Dorian to talk to chirelli or whoever and say “the dressing room is split, 1 of 2 guys has to go, hoffman is one of them, what’s your offer? ” And move him then.

Because instead, they played hardball, it hits the fan, now a media circus is going to follow him, as where if he was traded 1500 miles away before it went public, karlssons wife maybe wouldn’t have had to follow through on the legal stuff. And Sens fan base wouldn’t have more ammo to hurl at Dorian and Melnyk for losing yet another trade.

11 Jul 2018 15:30:43
And if there’s this many rumblings of a fractured relationship between paccioretty and the habs management, there’s a decent chance that more concrete evidence of that could come out in the coming weeks. And depending what that info is, could affect his trade value. Don’t want to be like the senators, no one wants to be like the senators right now lol.

11 Jul 2018 16:04:21
Yes jim but I think we can both agree that there is usually a lot more goes on behind the scenes that me or you or any of the insiders know. Sometimes you got to ask yourself who is this source that everyone talks about? Sources close to a team that could actually leak true info would not do so because if they were caught they would be fired. why would someone in that situation leak info to a 2nd rate reporter so he could put it in a newspaper for everyone to see. i'm sure a few things about pacioretty may have some merit but I'm willing to bet 99% don't it's purely speculation based on what people think will happen. With regards to Hoffman if Dorian and crew knew there was a chance karlsons wife was considering pressing charges against Hoffmann (wife) then yes this would have to been brought to the attention of the other team.

11 Jul 2018 16:39:54
If there is a fractured relationship it's because patch wants more on his new deal then montreal wants to pay. Pretty simple really and that happens a lot it's just this being a more then usual boring summer with not much to talk about it's being blown up in montreal. Notice when everyone though karlsson would be traded last week there was zero talk about pacioretty lol. or when the tavares saga was going on. People looking for news is all it is. The same thing is going on that has been since last December with pacioretty his name is out there and bergevin is listening to offers. If he gets an offer he likes he will trade him. you can paint it in any way you like but we all said the same things about duchene and sakic done pretty good in that deal. As of now if patch doesn't resign he will be a ufa after this year and will be traded as such. So does he have more trade value now or if he was resigned at 8 year 8 mil per? My guess is he has more value now. Does that mean the habs will get huge haul for him. Probably not. But they should be able to get something that will help them moving forward. Picks or prospects is my hope.

11 Jul 2018 16:44:02
Yeah. I think The Athletic is a pretty good outlet, seem to have some connections and smart people employed. But It’s not criminal charges that she brought against them. It’s a protection order saying she can’t contact her. It’s a civil matter. Cody Ceci’s wife threw a flaming bottle of gasoline on a another woman (accidentally, but what else can possibly happen in Ottawa this summer?!?! ) and the woman was fighting for her life and she has had like 15 or 20 surgeries. Almost guaranteed a lawsuit will come from that too but again it will be a civil matter, no criminal charges and I doubt it has to be disclosed.

Regardless, we will see. Paccioretty has said he wants to stay and a as willing to sign 8 years (Montreal Gazette) but when he’s traded, more of the story will come out, and I’m willing to bet that a real story of a very fractured relationship will emerge.

11 Jul 2018 19:25:04
It could happen jim I'm not going to rule that out. I just think at this time it's just more of a contract thing then anything else. could Possibly be friction between patch and other players on team though. This summer seems more rampant with loose rumors and texts from sources which have been proven wrong then other years to me. i think it comes from this years uneventful draft and mediocre free agent class making very few headlines. To me now unless I hear straight from bob mckenzie or elliote friedman I don't even listen to it.

11 Jul 2018 19:41:13
But on the note of things being disclosed everything is suppose to be disclosed that you are aware of concerning the player your trading. legal matters drinking or partying habits, locker room feuds injuries etc. all could be assumed to affect the players performance as could the legal matter. Off ice issues can be a wide range of things if the other gm asks about a players situation. when trade negotiations are taking place how often do you think the other gm asks why are you trading him? How's that knee injury? Is there any truth about these rumors? A Gm don't just say we'll he's a good player let's see if we can get him, without doing their homework first. I remember when the habs traded mike riberio for janne ninnima there was hardly any talk of riberios drinking problem at the time but gainey had to disclose that info to other Gms and that's the only offer he got. i know it's not the same as the Hoffman case but gainey could have kept quiet about it and got another deal elsewhere and just waited for the other team to find out. But I'm pretty sure the other team then could have filed a grievance to the league and got compensated.

10 Jul 2018 20:33:53
3-way deal

Ottawa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick

Tampa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
RD Jake Dotchin
2020 1st round pick

New Jersey:
RW Brandon Baddock


To New Jersey:
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick
RD Jake Dotchin

To Ottawa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
2020 1st round pick

To Tampa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Brandon Baddock

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10 Jul 2018 20:57:34
Again, why does New Jersey take 4 years/ $29 mill of bony Ryan for a #6/ 7 Dman and a 2nd?!

Detroit swapped picks which allowed Arizona Jacob Chychrun at 12th overall to take 1 year/ 7 mill of Datsuks money. Think about that price and now realize you want a team to take that same cap hit but 4 times as long. Where’s the incentive?!

11 Jul 2018 10:41:31
Should TB include Sergachev, we def won't also add Cirelli and a 1st lol.

11 Jul 2018 13:16:01
I could live with this.

Tampa would have to pair sergachev with a 1st and one of either cireli gourde or point triplets. you don't get the best defenceman / number 3 player in the world cheap. it's not even a debate at this point. you guys who think superstars like Karlsson come cheap need to get out of your grandparents basements. I say grandparents because even your parents would be embarrassed by you.

11 Jul 2018 15:08:46
Best deffensman in the world? The person who proposed the trade is talking about Karlsson not Doughty.

12 Jul 2018 08:11:31
Rambo, are you really that stupid? OTT has no leverage whatsoever, they need to trade him, otherwise they lose him for no return at all.

15 Jul 2018 17:23:02
They have a year to trade him if needed triplets it's not an immediate thing this the leverage argument is nullified and void get that through your head.

Exactly vbbvbb what does doughty have to do with anything to do with best defenceman in the world conversation? The guy hasn't been relevant in 3 seasons now. Karlsson bu far number 1 while the likes of dahlin hedman josi subban burns pietrangelo byfuglien werenski jones and ekblad have all surpassed doughty by this point. he's still great sure but not like he was. Karlsson had rough year injury wise and personal wise sso naturally he was going to struggle a bit doesn't mean he's done.

10 Jul 2018 18:33:11
Sabres trade: Nylander, guhle, 2nd round pick

Blue jackets trade: Panarin

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10 Jul 2018 19:16:09
No from Columbus Nylander is approaching bust territory.

11 Jul 2018 01:11:32
How is a 60pt player hitting bust. Either you were being funny or your kinda short bus special.

11 Jul 2018 07:45:56
It's A. Nylander not Willie.

11 Jul 2018 11:09:24
Wow Colt. Wow.

11 Jul 2018 15:10:30
I’ll let this one slip colt but next time read the names of the teams.

10 Jul 2018 15:14:54
3 way trade between Ottawa, Colorado and Tampa

Tampa gets: Karlsson, Conor timmins

Ottawa gets: Sergachev, Cirelli, Foote, COL 2019 1st (ottawa's)

Colorado gets: Tampa 2020 1st, Johnson, Ott 3rd 2019

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10 Jul 2018 15:50:53
So Colorado gives up a good 19 year old RHD prospect and gives Ottawa back their own 1st round pick that should be a top 5, for Johnson (owed $30million), Tampa’s 1st (would be 25-31) and a 3rd from Sens?! Lol

Colorado just gets involved here to get screwed and help Ottawa’s rebuild by returning the pick their moron GM traded away and making it possible for them to cash in on Karlsson by taking Johnson’s salary out of the equation in Tampa.

The third team getting involved in these trades need to come out ahead to justify even being there. The only reason these things become 3 team trades is that teams 1 and 2 need team 3 to do them a favour. They get paid for that favour. They don’t pay to do youbthe favour. They’re the biggest loser in the whole deal haha makes zero sense.

10 Jul 2018 16:53:35
Haha oh man this is bad.

Easy no from Colorado. I don't think they trade that pick unless Karlsson is heading to Denver, not Tampa.

10 Jul 2018 18:04:45
Colorado gets bent over. Wouldn’t trade Timmons alone for that let alone a potential 1st ovr pick.

11 Jul 2018 10:42:27
This is horrible for TB. This is horrible for COL. Nice try, Sens fan.

11 Jul 2018 13:41:32
vbbbvvbb you wouldn't trade timmins for that lol.

11 Jul 2018 15:20:56
No I wouldn’t he has tremendous potential and in all the redrafts he’s a top 10 pick.

 


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