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24 Feb 2019 20:39:24
As long as Kadri isn't out long term and with WNylander looking like Centre is better suited for him I have a Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Ferland
DHamilton

Toronto Trades
Kadri
Gardiner

Reasoning for Carolina is they get a Top 2 Centre on a good Contract in Kadri and they truly need a solid Centre, Gardiner replaces the Offense of DHamilton and even though he is on an expiring Contract they have deep Prospects to replace Gardiner next Season plus like the Leafs on the opposite side they have to many RHanded Shooting Defencemen.

For the Leafs this is more a Hockey Trade for them they are exchanging one expiring contract for another in Gardiner for Ferland but it makes the Defense better this Season and next as DHamilton is signed where as Gardiner like JVR and Bozak walks after this Season and with TMoore and Bracco maybe ready next Season if Ferland walks they have enough Prospects in the system that they are deep enough to make this Trade.

Thoughts?

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24 Feb 2019 21:07:28
This trade really works out to Khadri for Hamilton and a top right shot d-man is better to have than a 2nd line, at best, center. The Leafs would have to add.

24 Feb 2019 21:13:47
That’s the trade and reasoning I posted yesterday, you just switched Hamilton for Pesce. Come up with your own ideas.

24 Feb 2019 23:44:14
Never seen your post #Leafs17 so don't know what you're talking about its my own Trade idea and don't think the Leafs need to add in this deal as it's very fair #islandjet.

25 Feb 2019 01:10:15
Fantastic idea. Carolina is in desperate need of defensemen, especially one that is going to walk end of season. I can’t believe this trade hasn’t happened yet.

24 Feb 2019 20:31:40
Mtl: Brook,Hudon, 2rd2019

Edm: Puljujarvi

Before Edmonton gets a Yakupov type return( 3rd pick and C prospect) for Pulujarvi they should take the best offer they can get while he's 20 and still has that 4th overall prestige. This I'm okay I'm okay with offering for him.

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24 Feb 2019 20:57:37
Well you can offer that and have fun getting rejected.

24 Feb 2019 23:48:58
Mcjesus I'm sorry but Pul is not getting a first and top prospect like you think. And whae tuat a bad trade? They get a good D prospect and solid pick plus a add in in Hudon who had 30 points last year.

25 Feb 2019 01:29:13
Take brook out and I might do it. Don't really want to give up one of the top dmen in junior hockey for a question mark. That package could have got us brandon montour.

24 Feb 2019 20:03:39
Ottawa Senators:

•) Mark Stone


Nashville Predators:

•) Kevin Fiala

•) 2nd Round Pick 2019

•) 4th Round Pick 2019 (1st if Stone Resigns)

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24 Feb 2019 20:15:27
Change the two 2nd's to 1st's would be fairer.

24 Feb 2019 20:41:52
Not even close.

24 Feb 2019 22:54:35
Wait, @IJ, Fiala and 1st for Stone is fair, but Stanley and 1st for Stone is too much. Haha.

25 Feb 2019 05:12:20
Stone gets more than Duchene thus a lot more than this garbage.

24 Feb 2019 05:59:12
TOR: Nazem Kadri, Nikita Zaitsev

CBJ: Alex Wennberg (1M retained), Josh Anderson.

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24 Feb 2019 16:22:30
Wtf lol no from Columbus.

24 Feb 2019 18:33:51
Gargantuan no from CBJ. You want them to take on Zaitsev’s contract (a guy they don’t need btw) AND retain on Wennberg? You’re dreaming. And, even if you took Zaitsev out, Kadri doesn’t equal Wennberg and Anderson so it’s still a no from CBJ.

24 Feb 2019 20:11:47
Wennbergs been playing terrible lately, ask a lot of CBJ fans. Kadri definetely gets that package by himself, adding Zaitsev and asking for retention on Wennberg is a no tho, imo.

24 Feb 2019 20:39:29
So you want CLB to take a cap dump and to retain on a good young center who's having a bad season but had 59 points when he was 22? No way, Wennberg himself is clost to the value of Kadri, yes he's having a bad season but he's going to get back on track and he's signed long term at a good contract if he gets his game going again and he will.

24 Feb 2019 20:42:10
The fact you think this is fair for Columbus definite your level or biased towards Toronto.

23 Feb 2019 19:56:15
Alex Chiasson to Toronto in exchange for Freddy Gauthier, 2020 3rd and Conditional 2019 5th.

Condition: Becomes a 2019 4th if Toronto advances to the second round, and a 2019 3rd if Toronto advances to the third round.

@MJC, I saw you posted Chiasson for Ho-Sang, and tbh, that's a better deal than this one. However, I'm pretty sure Chiasson will go for around a 3rd+a small add if there isn't a bidding war, so you think this would be okay?

I'd like Chiasson for our fourth line, big guy with a decent point total. You guys get Goat who is basically just a 4C with relatively no skill - if he uses his body though, he could become a decent enough guy.

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23 Feb 2019 20:58:40
I agree Chiasson will probs get something similar to what Maroon got so that being a 3rd and a small add but I’m personally not a fan of Gauthier. But if that’s the best we can get then I’d take it but if Oil could make a deal to get Ho-Sang that would be ideal.

23 Feb 2019 22:27:44
I think Mcjesus is right., I think Oilers should try and get Ho-Sang. I think he has the skill set and speed to play with McDavid.

23 Feb 2019 23:11:21
@MJ

Dw, nobodies really a fan of Goat lol. he's half a step too slow in almost all cases, I just put him in as a roster body swap. I was thinking of Holl but he's not much either, lol.

23 Feb 2019 23:31:37
Gauthier + picks is pretty reasonable for a depth guy like Chiasson. At least we get a roster player back, though he is a little slow.

HoSang is about as close to being a bust as they get if he isn’t already. He’s 23 years old, drafted five years ago, he’s played in a whopping 53 games. Chiasson is a full time nhl roster player. Definitely worth more than HoSang.

24 Feb 2019 01:05:01
Wondering if Dallas was ship Honka to Edmonton for Chiasson as I read they are looking for depth player and honka is slowly getting pushed out of lineup with lovejoy trade.

24 Feb 2019 05:27:16
Ho Sang/ Honka=Puljujarvi.

24 Feb 2019 06:48:17
I ageree vbb. All those guys are looking like busts and need a change of scenery. Maybe a three way deal cculd be made here?

24 Feb 2019 16:23:59
Honka and Ho-Sang are 23. Puljujärvi is 20. Stfu vb you’re so annoying.

24 Feb 2019 18:36:45
I think oilers should a least put there first round pick out there to see what would be offered . if they could send lucic and another bad contract away and get a good winger back the cap space would let them make a bigger move.

24 Feb 2019 19:50:14
The Oil first will have way more value at the draft and Lucic’s contract would be way easier to trade after the seasons over. Probably still an immovable contract.

24 Feb 2019 20:37:31
Hosang still had some potential just a really bad attitude.

24 Feb 2019 20:39:37
Honka is not a bust, he's a D that is taking time to develop.

24 Feb 2019 20:43:12
I agree with you Mcjesus to a certain extent but you also have to realize that Puljujarvi dosnt have the value that you think he as. If I remember correctly you have proposed a trade for Puljujarvi where Carolina was giving a first and top prospect for him and he's just not worth that at all. he's worth more then Yakupov was when he got traded but not a first IMO. A second and B+ prospect is as much as I could see Edm getting for him. VB is annoying but you are overvaluing Pulujarvi big time.

24 Feb 2019 23:27:43
Ho Sang And a 2nd = Puljujarvi.

23 Feb 2019 19:50:00
WPG: Kulikov
MON: Alzner (50% Retained)

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23 Feb 2019 23:33:36
Alzner is too slow. Even at 50% off he just is not capable of playing in today’s NHL. Absolutely no reason for Jets to make this trade.

24 Feb 2019 00:02:54
Why would the Jets want to downgrade.

24 Feb 2019 01:25:34
The Jets have no reason to down grade in a trade like this.

23 Feb 2019 18:58:32
Sounds strange, but I am hearing Colorado Avalanche and Florida Panthers are in trade talks right now. Very interesting especially with Florida going to be in Colorado tomorrow and Monday at the trade deadline.

The rumor I am hearing is Colorado is going all in for a playoff push. Colorado might get Mike Hoffman, Mark Pysyk and James Reimer. Florida is predicted to get Tyson Jost, Nikita Zadorov and Phillipp Grubauer.

Draft picks might be in the mix as well. Unknown for sure. But Joe Sakic and Dale Tallon are expected to meet tomorrow in Denver. Going to be juicy.

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23 Feb 2019 19:20:52
You have no idea man.

23 Feb 2019 23:04:17
I read Hoffman and brassard are sitting out so getting close but that guy said it was with nyip.

24 Feb 2019 20:36:49
Hoffman is the best player here. Does that mean Colorado wins? I don’t think Colorado is giving up on Jost quite yet, though Zadorov is on the block.

23 Feb 2019 16:45:04
Since everyone is basing trades on Duchene return for stone here's one.

Ott : stone, Paul

Van : 2019 1st, conditional 2020 1st (based on if stone resigns or if Vancouver makes conference finals this year), dahlen, woo

Or

Ott : stone, dzingle, Paul

Vancouver : Hughes, dahlen, 2019 1st (top 3 protected), 2020 2nd, and a conditional 2020 1st (same condition as above)

1st trade has no protection on the gaurenteed pick.

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23 Feb 2019 17:09:43
Oh boy. This trade proposal really overvalues Stone and Dzingle. Vancouver is building the right way, by draft and develop and won't give up their future for a quick fix.

23 Feb 2019 18:35:54
Why doesnadding dzingel suddenly equate to quinn f***ing hughes? And the first ones okay, i guess, i don't think Vancouvers in the same boat as CBJ to be giving up two 1sts and Dahlen/ Woo, maybe the conditional 1st becomes a conditonal 2nd.

First trade is alri, probably not the right fit in VAN, second is a def nogo.

23 Feb 2019 18:36:58
Islandjet, exactly how to you figure it overvalued stone and dzingle?

Stone alone is worth more than Duchene, and look at what Duchene got (a guaranteed 1st in the same shape as Vancouver currently, a conditional first based upon a resign of Duchene and 2 b prospects), while dzingle alone at least gets a first based on what Hartman got last year, plus you still have Paul (a B prospect) involved too.

You need to reevaluate your value rankings.

Stone and Paul get you Hughes and the guaranteed 1st no doubt while dzingle easily lands the conditional 1st and dahlen
And the other deal is a no brainer that it's value is there. You're not getting a top 5 defensive forward in today game cheap, that's a fact and stone is just that signed or not. Naturally I'd prefer Ottawa just smarten up and sign him but this kind of deal is doable.

23 Feb 2019 18:43:13
Oh and plus Vancouver needs good veteran leadership to help their young guys along, stone and dzingle both provide that and are young enough yet themselves that they can grow with the team too.

Petterson boeser and stone leadings the way those kids will be even better with stones help no doubt plus dzingle Horvat and what ever on second line, yeah I highly doubt this hurts their future more than it helps it.

And the condition of the one pick in both trades plus the top 3 protection in the other trade further benefits Vancouver.

23 Feb 2019 19:16:23
A team trading for Stone is looking to make a push. You can add McDavid to Vancouver and they still wouldn’t be a contender.

23 Feb 2019 19:49:09
NBR. The first trade was fine-ish. Problem is, Vancouver isn't a contender. They shouldn't be making that type of move.

Second trade is not fine. You basically say that Stone is worth Woo, Dahlen, 1st, Cond. 1st based on resigning, which may be excessive, but sure, for you, let's say its fair [Paul doesn't mean s*** in the grand scheme of anything]. Then you throw in Dzingel, take out Woo and add Hughes. Dzingel doesn't get you Hughes, end of story.

23 Feb 2019 23:38:40
Vancouver is not going to sell out their future for a couple rentals. They are still in early stages of rebuild and not contenders.

24 Feb 2019 06:32:00
Vancouver is only 6 points out of a 1st wild card spot, a trade like this absolutely gives them a shot at big playoff run and the difference between woo and Hughes coupled with the top 3 protection placed on the guaranteed 1st then yeah adding dzingle does equal that trade off, face it quinn is no jack.

24 Feb 2019 14:41:34
Dzignel got 2 seconds, not Hughes, ha.

24 Feb 2019 16:54:15
And duclair, either way nothing posted on this site ever happens anyway it's all hypothetical.

And the fact is, I was not saying to simply add dzingle and Hughes.

You said yourself the 1st trade was fair, all I did was take out a B+ prospect in woo, replace him with and a- minus prospect in hughes thus adding a little value to Vancouver side. I also put top 3 protection on the guaranteed 1st thus taking value away. And added a 2nd for a little value added.

On top of that I added dzingle to the Ottawa side for a decent value increase on the Ottawa side.

Basically the 2nd and the top 3 protection aspects cancel each other out making the value of dzingle pay for a small increase in a slightly more skilled prospect, like I said before Quinn is good. But he's no jack Hughes and not gods gift to hockey like you're making him out to be. A 40 to 50 point speedy top 6 forward should more than easily make up the difference between jet woo and Quinn Hughes no questions asked, and I say the difference because that's what it is. Their not being added straight up for each other in this scenario.

24 Feb 2019 20:13:16
Quinn Hughes is not an A-, he's an A prospect. Jett Woo is a b Prospect. there's a reason why Hughes was top 8 and Woo was a mid second rounder. Come on man.

25 Feb 2019 05:18:32
Quin is not an A prospect, he's and A- at the absolute best, did you seriously just say that? Jack is an A prospect and Quinn not on same level, feel your head dude, there's a big difference between the two. And woo is B+ not b prospect, Paul is a B prospect and woo is better than Paul.

23 Feb 2019 15:17:19
McDavid and Poolparty for Drouin (20% retained), Gallagher, Danault, Primeau, Brooks, Suzuki, 1st 2019, 1st 2020.

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23 Feb 2019 16:19:52
No thanks.

23 Feb 2019 18:36:35
McDavid starts with Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Domi+++++.

23 Feb 2019 18:46:42
Dude there isn’t even an offer Montréal could make in order to get mcdavid tbh lol.

23 Feb 2019 21:29:21
Sure this trade but add all of montreals draft picks for the next 10 years as well.

23 Feb 2019 21:40:44
I think you would be suprised at the offer montreal could make. I also think you might be suprised with the offers you would actually get from a lot of teams. No team is going to turn themselves into the oilers just to get mcdavid. especially those teams that don't need him to sell tickets.

23 Feb 2019 23:40:12
You will never get enough for McDavid. He’s just too valuable for Edmonton to consider trading him for anything short of another mega-star.

24 Feb 2019 04:45:00
@ zamboni I would think making the playoffs would be more important to an owner and franchise then any one player. unless they can somehow turn that mess around and keep him in the fold really fast then exploring trade options might be a good idea. He might ask to be traded before then though.

24 Feb 2019 06:44:58
My point is, no team is going to be willing to give up that many assets to land him. Look what Duchene hauled in as a rental who isn’t nearly as talented. McDavid would be a lot more. No team will trade away that many valuable assets just for one player.

24 Feb 2019 15:40:56
Duchene got a first that only has a slight chance of being in the top 20 and a two low tier prospects. He returns another 1st if he fits in with clb and appears to them that he's going to be able to continue close to this seasons ppg pace. Not a great haul IMO. could turn out wonderfully for ott if duchene sucks as bad as he did the first 25 games he played after being traded to ott and clb misses the playoffs. And then they still decide to sign him in the offseason. if I was edm and I could get a 1st line winger a top pair dman an A prospect and a 1st from one of the worse teams in the league this year I'd seriously think about it and if someway I could dump one of those horrible contracts along with mcdavid that would be the icing on the cake.

23 Feb 2019 04:48:30
Kadri out with a concussion? Gardiner not at practice for a maintenance day? I say fake news, lol. I'm going to go with a different idea

Kadri/Gardiner for Ferland/Pesce.

Toronto has been linked to both of these players. Ferland brings in the physical presence and Pesce is a good RD on a reasonable contract. It's a small sample but it looks like Nylander is capable of playing center at the NHL level, if necessary.
Carolina could use center depth. Staal is not all that anymore and he's injured. Gardiner would be an offensive boost from the point.
It has been said that it has to be a money in, money out deal for the leafs. Ferland has a smaller cap hit than Gardiner and they're both UFA's. Kadri/Pesce would be the main pieces for both teams, both on similar contracts for years to come.

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23 Feb 2019 05:28:07
Tavares/ Marner/ Hyman
Matthews/ Kapanen/ Johnsson
Nylander/ Ferland/ Marleau
Gauthier/ Brown/ Lindholm
Pesce/ Reilly
Zaitsev/ Muzzin
Hainsey/ Dermott.

23 Feb 2019 16:30:14
The only way I’d make that trade from a leafs POV is if they took Zaitsev. I believe Gardiner holds more value then Ferland And Kadri has more value then pesce also that leaves a huge hole at the 3rd line C position.

23 Feb 2019 16:46:01
How are we in a position where we are arguing both that Gardiner is a detriment to a team AND that he has more value than the top 2 way forward currently on the market?

23 Feb 2019 19:19:42
Gardiner is Toronto’s 2nd/ 3rd best dman as a dman he is out producing Ferland. 51 points as a deffensman is Elite.

23 Feb 2019 21:51:55
Ferland is not a C.

23 Feb 2019 21:49:54
Vbb’s he got 52 points once and is on pace for 40. Not too bad at all but Gardiner is not elite.

23 Feb 2019 22:13:52
If Nylander plays 3C vbb’s, the leafs still look pretty good.

23 Feb 2019 22:30:29
I'd rather keep Kadri if I was a Leafs fan.

23 Feb 2019 23:19:44
If you’re talking to me triplets, I put the Center first. Marner and Kapanen are not center either but Tavares and Matthews are.

24 Feb 2019 20:38:31
Just saw the third line lol, sorry. Curious: Why would you put the C first? Never seen that.

25 Feb 2019 05:06:23
I don’t know. It’s the centers line, so I put him first. When you’re talking about a line you would say Matthews line.

 


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