18 Jun 2021 14:55:56
I think this could make sense post expansion draft


Marner
Engvall

For

Jones (with extension)
Korpisalo
2021 1st (one of the lower ones)
Peeke
2022 2nd

18 Jun 2021 15:09:04
Why would Columbus add? Jones with an extension is worth more than Marner and Engvall together.

18 Jun 2021 17:02:58
Not after the year Jones had.

18 Jun 2021 17:49:18
@marcus Jones was pretty brutal this year, with an extension which is likely north of 9mill or so easily, he prob doesn’t outweigh Marner who still had a damn good RS despite a s*** playoff. Korpisalo and a 1st is prob enough to close the gap i’d say, the rest is probably too much. If Jones is signing for like 6 mill (which would be ab his acc value given his play) then Jones/ Marner 1for1 is a lot closer - with his poorer play and yet a high cap hit (for the name brand, like how Doughty got 11 mill) there def needs to be adds from CBJ.

18 Jun 2021 19:05:02
Marner is a winger and as we all know wing is by far the easiest position to fill. Jones is an RHD, which along with 1C Is the hardest position to fill.

Jones didn't have a great year, but neither did Marner. Marner produces when the games don't matter, but is a no show when they do. You can also find wingers that while they don't produce as much as Marner are a better value for the dollar.

Columbus needs help at center, not wing, so I would think they hold out for a center not a playmaking winger, who they know will never re-sign there.

While Marner is good he is severely overpaid which brings his value down. We don't know how much Jones's new contract will be, but unless it is in the Doughty/ Karlsson range, Jones is undoubtedly more valuable than Marner.

So, Korpisalo, the first and the rest are a pretty big overpay by CLB. I think you are vastly underrating how bad Marner's contract is in a flat cap world.

18 Jun 2021 23:38:48
@memarcus nailed it.

19 Jun 2021 00:59:22
I’m not sure If you know what severely means. lol. Blake Wheeler?

19 Jun 2021 01:31:47
Marcus Marner was top 5 in point production you need to chill man. You know Marner is worth more then Jones with an extension your the odd ball out here, you got to stop undervaluing leafs players just because they play in Toronto man.

19 Jun 2021 03:38:55
Why is Marner getting all the crap from a bad playoff. what about Matthews?
I hope ya trade Marner, then no more Hart nominations or Rocket wins for Matthews.

Trade Matthews, his value is super high. Tavares can benefit from Marner and compete for a Rocket next year. Maybe the peices will help Leafs win cup.

19 Jun 2021 14:54:24
If I had it my way I’d move Marner and Tavares for prospects and draft picks ( no nhl players ) I’m think Minnesota would make sense for Tavares ( yes he wouldn’t waive his NMC and would make the organization look terrible )

19 Jun 2021 16:42:56
It looks there isn't anyone else, other than Leaf fans, who agree with you themostleaf33. Jones with a market value extension is easily more valuable than Marner.

You may not like to admit it to yourself, but Marner is horrendously overpaid and plays the easiest position to fill in hockey. In normal times Jones is more valuable and in flat cap times it's even more exaggerated. If the players we're reversed we'd be hearing how CBJ would need to be adding a ton to Marner.

19 Jun 2021 16:57:59
Idk Marcus, you’re really looking at name value. Jones is quite similar to Drew Doughty, good dman, but hyper-inflated because of his prior years and his name value. He isn’t that elite #1 dman, but will be paid like it. Marner had a good year and is overpaid by 1.5M. In a flat cap, that's an issue, but teams would love to acquire a top5-7 winger in the league, especially teams who want to improve in the standings and have the cap space to acquire a star winger. Jones is 100% going to get a huge payday from someone or the other, close to the Petro deal, if not more. Jones at 9 and Marner at 10.5 is again only a. 1.5 difference, which isn’t that outlandish. No way in hell Jones signs for less than 8 at the min because he has that type of name value around rhe league. he's closer to. 6-6.5 mill dman, so he'd also be overpaid.

19 Jun 2021 18:30:35
I do agree Topshelf that Jones is very overrated. He's had 3 down years now, but I still think most would regard him a top pair guy. For me right now, I'd say Jones is an average 2/ 3 guy, but appears to be trending down. Be he is at least a 2 when he plays like he can.

Marner is good, but I'd say he's at least 2.5 overpaid which is a fair amount. It's not that he isn't a good player, he is, it's just that you can find guys that produce at probably 70% of Marner's rate for 50-70% the cost.

Also, going by what CBJ fans say, they need a C. So, I can't see the Jackets going after a winger who they know 100% guaranteed is gone when his three years are up. They've had enough trouble with star players wanting out.

I'm enjoying the discussion though. Thanks for that.

19 Jun 2021 22:09:10
Memarcus said it best. Jones is a Top RHD and he’s only 26, he’d hold more value than Marner imo.

20 Jun 2021 04:20:53
Marner is a top 5 winger in the NHL Jones Is a 20-30 dman. Contract aside on a pure talent stand point Marner>Jones. Marner is also 2 years younger. Marner>>>>Jones In a vacuum do to cost control, age and Talent. I don’t think this playoffs takes away any of his value.

20 Jun 2021 17:43:49
@marcus

No problem man, good discussion. The center thing definitely makes sense. They have Laine and Bjorkstrand while having down year Domi and Jack Roslovic down the middle. I honestky think because of age and extension maybe Jones and euther the pick or Korpi gets Marner, But the 50/ 70 comp genuinelly makes sense - someone like, hell i think Nylander honestly makes sense: Willy makes like 60% of Marners salary and contributes 70% of the stats, probably more valuable. Some team will pay an arm and a leg for Marner, that's for sure though, cause a lot of GMs are bumbling idiots, so if Marner was on the move, he'd bring in a huge haul even if he's overpaid and hasn't produced in rhe playoffs - simply because of his RS success.

21 Jun 2021 19:12:46
Most teams would be be very happy to get Jones at 7 mil/ yr. Several would likely give him 8 mil/ yr and a few might go as high as 9 mil/ yr.

Marner is hugely overpaid. Nitkita Kucherov makes 9.5/ yr and he's better than Marner in just about every way. Most would rate Kucherov the best / most skilled winger in the league. Marner should be making less than Kucherov which means Marner is overpaid by more than 2.5 mil/ yr.