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16 Oct 2018 01:45:38
Leafs trade Kapanen
Arizona trades Crouse

Crouse: 21 years old, 11th overall, 87 gp, 6g, 7a, 11:42 atoi, 36 blk, 200 hits, 16 tks, 2 gv

Kapanen: 22 years old, 22nd overall, 61gp, 10g, 6a, 12:05 atoi, 13 blk, 78 hits, 22 tks, 11 gv

Everyone on this site looking through blue and white spectacles. And I’ll admit, I’m one of the worst (look at my username after all) .

These players look very comparable imo. Yet one is consistently called a bust, and the other is considered a success.

Lawson Crouse plays 3rd line on one of the worst teams in the league. He is almost exactly a full year younger than Kapanen, yet has more games played. Both have been healthy scratches in the past, and both have had injuries set them back somewhat.

If Kapanen was on any other team, everyone would be calling him a bust. I still think it’s too early to call Crouse a bust. He may still turn out to be a top six forward if given the chance.

If Nylander re-signs, Kapanen is likely dropped back to third line. As our LW is weaker than our RW, this may be something to consider. We then leave Brown on third line with Kadri in the middle.

Crouse/ Kadri/ Brown could make for a good shut down line with offensive capability.


1.) 16 Oct 2018 05:26:33
I agree it's too early to call either a bust.

2.) 16 Oct 2018 07:19:08
LeafsGM please don’t go grouping all leaf fans together. You’ve been on this site for a few weeks and think you have everyone figured out. Take a step back and read what people post or reply before judging everyone. There are people of every fan base that are bias and there are fans that are level headed. So take your English major and “knowledge is power” crap down a notch. We’re all so lucky to have someone of superior intelligence on this site.

3.) 16 Oct 2018 12:37:50
Kap is better. Speed and skill>>>> big with minimal skill.

4.) 16 Oct 2018 12:47:55
It’s just player preference. I don’t mind bigger physical players, however Babcock game is speed and transition. So a guy like kapanen can play a top 6 role on the team as where I would see Crouse a lot lower in our lineup.

With the hype around Crouse in his draft year (was a top 5 prospect for a bit), I assume people just had higher expectations for him than they did for kappy and therefore it’s easier to call him a bust sooner, fair or not.



15 Oct 2018 04:45:19
So, here’s my thoughts: we offer Nylander a front loaded contract: years 1-4@$10M, followed by years 5-8@$4M. AAV = $7M.

Why Nylander does this:

He gets long term deal close to what he wants. The front loaded contract acts as NTC, as nobody is going to want to pay Nylander $10M unless he really steps up his game and starts hitting 25+ goals and 80+ points a year consistently (in which case, we get our money’s worth and won’t trade him anyway) .

Why Leafs do this:

They get Nylander at a price close to what they want. And at the same time, leave open the possibility of trading him the second half of his contract should they ever desire to do so for whatever reason.

It’s a hard negotiation. And if what Jodes says below is true, that Leafs are wanting to bridge Nylander at 4x$5M, then Nylander may as well start packing his bags now. Because they are way too far apart to reach agreement.

It’s just one possibility that I haven’t heard anyone else discuss yet. I mean, somethings got to give here. If you think $7M AAV is too high, just lower years 1-4 to $9M and AAV is $6.5, which seems pretty reasonable to most people on this site.


1.) 15 Oct 2018 05:45:19
The CBA has rules on the maximum salary variability on a contract which I believe is 35% up or down. So, if you have him $10M in years 1-4, the remaining years need to be at least $6.5M.

2.) 15 Oct 2018 05:58:14
Marcus is right. You would have to slowly decrease it. Like $10mill, $9mill, $8mill etc. Year to year can’t be more than 35% gap.

3.) 15 Oct 2018 06:27:47
At this point, I really think you'll be looking at a bridge contract for Nylander. Which should work out better for you at least in the short term. He's not going to sit out a year and it doesn't appear they will trade him, so bridge is the only option left. Unless one side or the other caves on their expectations for a long term deal.

4.) 15 Oct 2018 06:28:53
But I think it will be a two year bridge, not longer.

5.) 15 Oct 2018 06:41:26
@memarcusjoe and UnbiasedJim

Very interesting. I’m glad I floated this proposal here. I just learned something new about cba again. Jim, you especially seem to be well read in the subject.

So the idea could still work, but the payout each year would have to be slightly changed is all.

Thanks joe and Jim. I really appreciate the response. As I’ve said before numerous time, knowledge is power.

6.) 15 Oct 2018 16:10:09
Dont think willy will do a bridge deal or iw would be done by now. Its going to come down to trading him. So do it now and get that money helping our blue line.

7.) 15 Oct 2018 19:04:27
Nylanders not going to waste a whole season. And even if he does, we own his rights till he’s 27. Ride it out. Hold strong at long term for $6.5 mill range. The longer this goes, the better it is for the leafs as his cap hit is being weighted more and more to this season than years 2-7 by the day. Best case is sign him November 30th. If we do that and it’s for 7x$6.5mill, his cap hit is almost $9.1 mill this season and it’s $6.2 for the next 6 seasons. That’s ideal for us.



14 Oct 2018 23:14:17
Time to stir things up. Something original and outside the box.

Leafs sign Nylander 8x$7.5
Leafs sign Gardiner 5x$6.5

Leafs trade Marner, picks/ prospects
Buffalo trades Dahlin

Leafs trade Rielly
St. Louis trades Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Nylander
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Dahlin/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)


1.) 15 Oct 2018 00:02:55
Unless the picks and prospects going to buffalo are Liljegren Sandin and marner to don’t think buffalo considers this. they need defence more than another small skilled forward.

2.) 15 Oct 2018 00:39:58
So easy no from Buffalo.
As for St. Louis trade, interesting because of the weaker left side they have on D and Rielly + Petro could be a nice pairing but I’m going to say no from St. Louis due to command of what Parayko brings.

3.) 15 Oct 2018 01:24:38
Id rather keep Rielly, and Buffalo would never do that, they need d more than offense.

4.) 15 Oct 2018 01:53:13
Dont like any of it. Especially Gardiner for 5 more years.

5.) 15 Oct 2018 04:59:04
I figured one of the prospects would have to be Sandin. Yes. Just was hoping to keep him so when we trade Gardiner in a few years, Sandin would be 3LHD. No way I would be giving them Liljegren too. A 1st maybe and that would be max.

Marner would look good in Buffalo playing with the young guns they got over there. A core of Eichel, Reinhardt, Marner, Middlestadt, Nylander, and Skinner is very attractive.

6.) 15 Oct 2018 05:13:24
Yes but having Eichel, Reinhart, Middlestadt, Nylander, Skinner and Dahlin is even more attractive.
Such an easy no from Buffalo, a no, while laughing at Dubas on the phone. But Dubas would never even ask such a trade anyways he's smarter than that.

7.) 15 Oct 2018 07:25:38

Drinking again tonight are we? You’re troll game is strong here. Marner for a prospect, no matter how good is a high risk/ high reward trade that Leafs would never make. And that’s why Dubas would never make the call to begin with.

Marner as setup man for Tavares or Matthews could be hitting 80-90 points this year. A long shot to compete for Art Ross Trophy, it still wouldn’t be inconceivable in a few years, as Marner will be a perennial top 10 producer in the league.

Not sure why Buffalo wouldn’t want a player on the team that could set up Eichel or Reinhart for 40+ goals a year like he is doing for Tavares right now in Toronto. Marner would be the best player on the team. Reinhart and Eichel are underperformers and need an elite winger to reach the next level.

8.) 15 Oct 2018 11:24:56
Think for Buffalo to consider getting rid of Dahlin you'd have to start with J. T. or Matthews and go from there. franchise player for franchise player?

9.) 15 Oct 2018 13:17:50
The only one drinking is the one who suggests Buffalo might trade Dahlin who they JUST drafted 1st overall and is a perfect fit for the team who was weak on D.

10.) 15 Oct 2018 14:13:20
Marner most definitely would not be the best player on buffalo also.

11.) 15 Oct 2018 19:53:08
@mcjesus, I’m on board with saying buffalo doesn’t make that trade lol they’re keeping Dahlin. But Marner/ Eichel could be a good debate. Eichel has had a cpl injuries, but when healthy has been great (.84 pts per game) . Marner has been healthier, played a season less, and had Stints on the 4th line (.85 pts per game) . Just read a stat today actually from the day he was promoted from the 4th line last season, including the 7 game series vs the bruins and the start of this year, in 53 games he has 28 goals and 42 assists for 70 pts. That’s a torrid pace. Obviously Eichel is that 1C that is going to garner more interest and gets a value advantage, but I don’t think putting them in a conversation together is that crazy.

12.) 16 Oct 2018 05:47:38
Are you all insane? Marner would easily be the best player on Buffalo. The Leafs would laugh at this and would never trade Marner or Matthews as they are untouchable as are Reilly and Tavares. As good as Eichel is he in my mind is still a gamble for me at 10 million a season over 8 years as he often gets injured and has not played a full season. As for Dahlin, I am not sold on this player as a franchise player. He may turn into a capable defender, only time will tell.

13.) 16 Oct 2018 14:04:47
@NylanderMagic. I’m soldnon Dahlin and he will be far more than a capable defender lol.



14 Oct 2018 06:49:57
Leafs trade Leivo
Nashville trades Kondelik

I’m going to come right out and say it: Leivo sucks. He really does. Good for him getting a goal tonight. Maybe we can actually trade him now.

Kondelik was a 4th round pick. Not much of a real stud prospect himself, but he’s huge.


1.) 14 Oct 2018 06:56:22
Kondelik is also only 18. Much younger than Leivo. He could be a sleeper that works out for us.



13 Oct 2018 16:42:52
Leafs trade Leivo
Vegas trades Morozov

I just don’t think Leivo has a future with the Leafs. Our pipeline is thin. All the good prospects have already made the team straight from the draft. We only have Liljegren and maybe Sandin who will realistically be making the team. Morozov is highly rated and was expected to go first round. For some reason he dropped to second round. Projected as a top six forward, he has performed well at the highest levels available for him and is a star performer on international stage. Would be a great prospect for Leafs to acquire imo.


1.) 13 Oct 2018 22:52:54
To be honest, I can’t think of any reason why Vegas would do this. I was hoping to see what other people’s thoughts were on Morozov. Maybe if it was Brown we were offering up.




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14 Oct 2018 15:14:35
Vegas is off to a pretty slow start. Even if they win the next two games, that only makes them a .500 team with 10% of the season played.

Was last year an artificial showing caused by steroids and hype and they are finally coming back to reality?


1.) 14 Oct 2018 16:32:06
Just stop. The amount of substance found in Schmidts blood was negligable at best and no he wasnt cleansing for months for a random drug test. Even if he was actively doing steroids one guy on roids doesn't makw you one of the best teams in the league. They over achieved last year everyone knew that and don't act like .500 after 8 games means anything at the end of the season.

2.) 14 Oct 2018 17:49:53
Yeah, I think anyone who watches enough NHL hockey would say they overachieved last year and a slow start means nothing. I would guess they are, in reality, a team that will battle for a playoff spot, probably a wildcard.

3.) 14 Oct 2018 18:32:40
I predict they don't make the playoffs. But who knows with this bunch lol.



10 Oct 2018 17:29:05
Good players make those they play with better. Perfect example is Kapanen playing with Matthews right now. If we dump Nylander on a bottom feeding team like Arizona, I guarantee his stats go down, not the players surrounding him go up. Whereas if we were to trade Matthews or Marner to the same team, it’s more likely those same players on Arizona would have career years. Nylander is not a superstar and will never so much as smell the Art Ross Trophy. The only time he will ever get to touch any hardware like the Hart or Ted Lindsay is if Matthews or Tavares let's him after they win it.


1.) 10 Oct 2018 18:48:19
Agree with a lot of it. Your Nylander hate is on point lol however I’m not there. Also I could see marner having as good of shot at an Art Ross as Tavares. Matthews will be up there probably but he’s still more of a goal scorer. Tavares, although 6g0a won’t last, he will get some assists, but I still think he will be scoring more goals than assists. Typically Art Ross guys aren't the ones with as many goals as assists or more goals than assists. That’s why the rocket was made, to recognize the great goal scorers. Look at the last 10+ years of Art Ross winners and you will see Mcdavid, Kane, Crosby, the Sedins, Thornton, St Louis etc. Ovie did have one, but typically it’s the set up man who plays with guys that can bury goals. So marner being on a line with JT and on a PP with JT, Matthews and Kadri I think could reach that 30 goal, 70 assists mark easier than JT could reach 45 goals and 55 assists to make the same 100pt season.

2.) 10 Oct 2018 21:44:40

It’s also a lot easier to get assists, because for every goal, there are usually two assists awarded. Which is why Gardiner has managed to hit the 50 point mark all sudden. Because he’s feeding the outlet pass to these great players that can make the moves and bury the puck.

With both Matthews and Tavares to set up, I agree that Marner could have a shot at the Art Ross too. Would be nice to see him develop into a shooter too though. If we have four guys on the team scoring 30 goals apiece, would make for spectacular hockey.

3.) 10 Oct 2018 23:18:20
Exactly. That’s why I meant Marner could climb the points leader board easier. And why I believe most Art Ross winners are guys with far more assists than goals generally.



06 Oct 2018 06:25:09
Anyone else think Hamonic got what he deserved for trying to fight Gudbranson? Gudbranson is much larger and has a lot less to lose if he gets hurt. Hamonic literally got his face broken. He was way out of his league on this one.


1.) 06 Oct 2018 12:35:48
He didn’t “Literally “ get his face broken he figuratively got his face broken.

2.) 06 Oct 2018 15:20:59
"Hamonic out week to week with facial fracture"
I think that's literally face bones breaking a little - "fracture"
Why the F does that offend you anyways vbb.

3.) 06 Oct 2018 16:35:53

You should just change your user name and come back on under a different pseudonym and try a less condenscending and confrontational approach. Because you have officially made yourself look like the biggest dumbass on this site. If you don’t know the difference between “literally” and “figuratively”, then you should consult a doctionary before commenting. Once again, I feel embarrassed for you. I would actually be so ashamed right now if I was you, I would delete my profile and start over.

4.) 06 Oct 2018 16:45:13
Facial Fracture, is a broken face
I'm not going to say he got what he deserved. give him credit for standing up for a young rookie . However, if fighting was still a big thing, I think Gudbranson could be a the heavy Weight contender, has big strong and tough. I sure wouldn't want to mess with him
I miss the old school tough guy fighter on the ice., especially in instances like this. Its unfortunate that Hamonic was the guy to stick up for his team , as its not a role suited fo him. the game has changed, and the tough guy is going the way of the stand up goalie. Pretty much extinct.

5.) 06 Oct 2018 17:16:27
Hamonic has the respect of his team mates doesn't really matter what we think.

6.) 06 Oct 2018 18:01:06
Very true Habby. Good veteran leader in the locker room and community.
They did give up way too much to get him tho. Side note.

7.) 06 Oct 2018 21:34:58
Oh for sure they gave up too much.

8.) 07 Oct 2018 14:56:49
He actually fractured his face 😂 I didn’t think he did.




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21 Oct 2018 16:09:45

Petry sucks, but he’s better than Hainsey, and is worth the $2.25. Scherbak can’t even make Montreal, so I have a very hard time seeing him crack Leafs lineups. It’s still too early to say for sure, but Brook looks to be like he is going to make it as top 4 RHD. He’d be a real nice prospect player to add.

I’m not seeing anything here that would turn Dubas on. It’s a mediocre defenseman and some mediocre prospects. Nylander is 1RW and would have an immediate impact on Montreal. He’s worth more.




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20 Oct 2018 22:56:52
It’s close.

McLeod is highly rated, but unproven, prospect player, while Johansson is pending UFA coming back from nasty concussion. The 1st is what it is.

Jersey is loaded in talented forward prospects, so may be willing to move McLeod for someone that can contribute immediately. This is probably reasonably close to what Leafs can expect in terms of a package of picks/ prospects.




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20 Oct 2018 22:49:35
Leafs definitely say no to trading Kadri for Spurgeon, who is above average age in NHL, well below average sized, and whose contract costs more, and expires two year earlier, than Kadri’s.




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19 Oct 2018 20:13:02
Brodie + 1st doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense for the Leafs either.




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19 Oct 2018 10:00:40
Very similar to the Brayden Schenn deal that landed Philly Frost and Farabee. I like this trade. It demonstrates very astute cap and asset management. That Valimaki kid is very highly rated. If Calgary doesn’t want to trade him, they also have Andersson, who would be another good choice. Jankowski hasn’t done much up to this point. Big kid that plays a strong game, inexpensive and controllable for a number of years still.

If Toronto doesn’t do this, it would only be because they are wanting someone more proven for that 1RHD spot. But it’s got to be close to what they can expect in terms of a package of prospects/ picks. May have to take a cap dump of some sort too as yup pointed out.





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