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06 Feb 2020 06:10:27
Moore, 3rd in 2020, conditional 3rd 2021
for Campbell & Clifford. Leafs finally add grit and a decent goalie. Maybe add Dillon and they might make the playoffs.


1.) 06 Feb 2020 14:36:51
Not sure how many games Campbell needs to win but potentially a 2nd. Good trade for the Leafs 😬.

2.) 06 Feb 2020 15:42:38
Think he needs to win 6.

3.) 06 Feb 2020 16:38:40
Why did Dubas wait so long to make a deal like this?

4.) 06 Feb 2020 18:50:09
Okay so then it’s almost guaranteed to be a 2nd no?

5.) 06 Feb 2020 19:11:16
Good deal by Leafs. Hope it doesn't work out😉, but still . good deal.
Now if they can jus move that # 34 character.
Then I could root for them over Boston at least lol.

6.) 07 Feb 2020 13:51:19
Funny I mentioned JCampbell a few times on here with Trade Proposals, and in mine I offered more but was slammed over and over again that the Kings would want Liljegren etc.
TMoore and probably only a 3rd Round Pick in the end for JCampbell and Clifford, I think the people on here have to understand players can be had for a lot less than you think.

7.) 07 Feb 2020 13:52:18
The leafs went on a pretty good run when Keefe took over and Hutchinson didn’t look too bad. They struggled for a couple weeks before the all star break, I guess a deal could’ve been made then. We don’t know what the asking price was around the league. We do know teams start high. They’re only a few points out of a playoff spot, it’s not too late at all to make a deal like this. If they don’t make the playoffs, that’s on the players and coach.



31 Oct 2019 22:44:18
Kapanen & Ceci for Bennett & Hamonic?

Kapanen & Bennett are the same age with similar contracts. Kapanen provides more speed and offence while Bennett adds grit. Ceci and Hamonic are both UFA's and from what I heard Hamonic is really struggling. Hamonic also adds more grit to Toronto but Ceci is much younger, if they're able to resign him. Just a shake up that both teams could benefit from. Calgary adds a little over $1million which helps Toronto. Calgary may have to shuffle a couple players around to make the salary work. Fair?


1.) 01 Nov 2019 09:16:12
Hamonic plays such an important role on the flames blueline

Hamonic > Kapanen
Bennett > Ceci

No from Flames

2.) 01 Nov 2019 14:38:45
I didn’t realize how important a role Hamonic plays but they were saying he’s really struggled so far this year. Let’s compare apples to apples though.

Kapanen > Bennett

3.) 01 Nov 2019 17:23:00
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29 Jun 2019 14:40:14
Brown for Kassian
I know we've talked about this in the past and it seemed the leafs were more interested in Benning or Khaira. However, Brown & Kassian are an even swap salary wise and they have similar point production. Kassian brings the grit to the table while Brown is a few years younger. I'm sure more could be added to the mix but the leafs need to be more physical while Edmonton has plenty of it.


1.) 29 Jun 2019 16:26:23
There’s grit out there that isn't a borderline down syndrome lunatic like Kassian.

But I would guess Benning is on the Leafs radar.

2.) 29 Jun 2019 17:31:40
I have no problem with a lunatic. Better than a bunch of bitches!

3.) 29 Jun 2019 18:00:59
I think he'd be a good fit on Leafs 4th. and if he was acting like a lunatic. Babcock would jus sit him, scratch him. Whatever. Leafs have the depth to that. Oilers needed him to be a an every day player.
And honestly, I don't see him as a lunatic., he plays with an edge,

4.) 29 Jun 2019 21:04:20
Kassian hurts his team more than he helps. Kassian is constantly out of position and his gas tank is usually dry after 2 periods. The worst is the bonehead penalties.

Leafs just can’t afford to bench 2 million now.

I’m not a huge fan of Brown’s but he’s positioned, consistent, and plays smart for 60 full minutes.

5.) 29 Jun 2019 22:25:10
Rather have kassian than Brown?! Kassian only good player outsider the top 3.

6.) 29 Jun 2019 22:43:20
Lol. No from Edm.
Benning for Brown more like it.

7.) 29 Jun 2019 23:24:42
I’m guessing you think the value is not even close yupp? I really didn’t think Kassian has much value at all, just looking to add some toughness to the leafs.

8.) 30 Jun 2019 05:29:40
Kassian isn’t a some insane goon. He’s doing what Lucic was supposed to do by protecting the star players. His past incidents are far behind him. Oilers turned him around.

9.) 30 Jun 2019 16:23:05
Did the oilers turn him around or did Kassian realize it was his last chance to get paid doing what he loves?

10.) 30 Jun 2019 19:46:22
Yeah I’m sure if he was in Vegas he wouldn’t turn around. Oilers did, like the entire league gave up on him while the Oilers traded for him.

11.) 01 Jul 2019 11:48:50
I agree that they traded for him when teams were giving up on him. I think it’s a little of both. I’m sure he knew it was his last chance to be a millionaire.



23 Feb 2019 04:48:30
Kadri out with a concussion? Gardiner not at practice for a maintenance day? I say fake news, lol. I'm going to go with a different idea

Kadri/Gardiner for Ferland/Pesce.

Toronto has been linked to both of these players. Ferland brings in the physical presence and Pesce is a good RD on a reasonable contract. It's a small sample but it looks like Nylander is capable of playing center at the NHL level, if necessary.
Carolina could use center depth. Staal is not all that anymore and he's injured. Gardiner would be an offensive boost from the point.
It has been said that it has to be a money in, money out deal for the leafs. Ferland has a smaller cap hit than Gardiner and they're both UFA's. Kadri/Pesce would be the main pieces for both teams, both on similar contracts for years to come.


1.) 23 Feb 2019 05:28:07
Tavares/ Marner/ Hyman
Matthews/ Kapanen/ Johnsson
Nylander/ Ferland/ Marleau
Gauthier/ Brown/ Lindholm
Pesce/ Reilly
Zaitsev/ Muzzin
Hainsey/ Dermott.

2.) 23 Feb 2019 16:30:14
The only way I’d make that trade from a leafs POV is if they took Zaitsev. I believe Gardiner holds more value then Ferland And Kadri has more value then pesce also that leaves a huge hole at the 3rd line C position.

3.) 23 Feb 2019 16:46:01
How are we in a position where we are arguing both that Gardiner is a detriment to a team AND that he has more value than the top 2 way forward currently on the market?

4.) 23 Feb 2019 19:19:42
Gardiner is Toronto’s 2nd/ 3rd best dman as a dman he is out producing Ferland. 51 points as a deffensman is Elite.

5.) 23 Feb 2019 21:51:55
Ferland is not a C.

6.) 23 Feb 2019 21:49:54
Vbb’s he got 52 points once and is on pace for 40. Not too bad at all but Gardiner is not elite.

7.) 23 Feb 2019 22:13:52
If Nylander plays 3C vbb’s, the leafs still look pretty good.

8.) 23 Feb 2019 22:30:29
I'd rather keep Kadri if I was a Leafs fan.

9.) 23 Feb 2019 23:19:44
If you’re talking to me triplets, I put the Center first. Marner and Kapanen are not center either but Tavares and Matthews are.

10.) 24 Feb 2019 20:38:31
Just saw the third line lol, sorry. Curious: Why would you put the C first? Never seen that.

11.) 25 Feb 2019 05:06:23
I don’t know. It’s the centers line, so I put him first. When you’re talking about a line you would say Matthews line.



24 Jan 2019 05:50:17
Anaheim is 30th in the league in scoring and the injuries continue. The leafs are in need of a RH, stay home defenseman.

Kapanen for Manson

Anaheim gets a 22 year old winger with speed & skill. This also gives Anaheim more money this season to add at the deadline.
Toronto gets a 27 year old, physical RH defenseman. He is on a reasonable contract for the next 4 years as well.
I think this is a fair trade one for one. RH defenseman are at a premium but the age difference evens that out. Maybe a small tweak is necessary.


1.) 24 Jan 2019 11:09:12
Age difference does not even that out lol. Kapanen can be included in a package to get Manson but not straight up, comon. he's a 22 year old winger who's having a good season playing with some of the best young talents and veterans in the game. His value is similar to Arturi Lekonen. Add Johnson to the trade and a second rounder and I think its closer.

2.) 24 Jan 2019 12:26:27
Arturi Leckonen has nothing on Kappy.

3.) 24 Jan 2019 13:56:52
I don’t think the leafs add that much boom boom. Yes Kapanen is playing with talent, for the first time in his career. Guess what, every team has talent. I think Kapanen would do just fine with Getzlaf and Rakell too, or anywhere else for that matter. Manson is 5 years older, that’s a pretty big difference.

4.) 24 Jan 2019 15:50:29
I think it would be a fair trade. This is the kind of defenseman the leafs should expect in a Kapanen deal.

And to the “Arturi Lehkonen has nothing on Kappy”. sure he does, he has worse linemates. I’m not saying I don’t like Kapanen; but him and Lehkonen are similar in they way they don’t drive their lines, but can produce when put in a good situation.

5.) 24 Jan 2019 15:53:15
If Manson is traded for anything under a significant overpayment and the Leafs aren't the one to get him, that's a fail by Dubas. Big defensive RHD on a solid contract in his prime. If it costs Kapanen and Johnson or whatever they should do that deal without hesitation.

6.) 24 Jan 2019 16:25:41
Kapanen definitely gets the water brewing for Anaheim but they're needs to be good little pieces added to get a big RHD in his prime.

7.) 24 Jan 2019 17:15:13
Kappanen has Elite speed and can play in any situation he reminds me of Chris Kriender who I believe is a very underrated player in his own right.

8.) 24 Jan 2019 19:29:32
@vbbbb and like kreider he is really streaky and inconsistent. Lehkonen can also play in any situation and you may not admit it but he is better defensively then kapanen. So overall slight edge on offence for kap edge on defence for lehkonen overall they are pretty even at this point.




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27 Oct 2019 00:24:17
Biasjoe was right, Drouin sucks


1.) 27 Oct 2019 17:46:23
Tyson Barrie set him up greatly on his second goal, not a chance Spezza was going to back check. Muzzin slamming his water bottle in frustration lol.



20 Oct 2019 06:27:25
That Drouin guy is looking alright eh biasjoe?




06 Oct 2019 02:18:14
Great leafs/habs game. The leafs were absolutely flying for 2 periods. Nice comeback by Montreal. Kapanen takes a dumb, selfish penalty that was crucial and still plays 2 more shifts in the last 6 minutes. If I was the coach he wouldn't of seen another shift and Moore would've been rewarded with a couple top line shifts.


1.) 06 Oct 2019 09:27:03
What I seen was 2 teams that are miles apart. Yes Montreal won in a shootout . however, the Waaaaaay better team lost.
IMO. Leafs played lazy, even the first 2 periods. they coulda had Habs down by 5 or 6.
Montreal better wake up. can't play that way . Fluery has been a bright spot, but Suzuki needs some AHL.
Why haven't we seen KK on the power play? We see Weal. let the kid learn
Habs are going to be worse than last year.

2.) 07 Oct 2019 01:52:59
Can't tell much from any team yet it's much too early.

3.) 07 Oct 2019 15:08:29
I was at the game. when they announced a penalty shot the place almost exploded. Great game to be at.
Habs are in a lot of trouble. With a 4 on 3 PP, the only person to take a shot (and the exact same one at that) was Weber about 6 times in a row. Very predictable. Suzuki did have some speed and guts to his game, but I agree, needs more time to develop.
I almost crapped my pants when they announced Weal as our 2nd shot in the SO.



02 Oct 2019 19:34:13
I knew Babcock could be an ass but benching Spezza against his former team after he signed for the league minimum is a slap in the face. I hope it's ok that I bashed my own team, I know that's not how this site works but my feelings are hurt, lol. I'm sure Spezza's feelings are hurt also. Does anyone else care to help bash the leafs?


1.) 02 Oct 2019 20:09:54
From tanking to get Matthews, Robidas Island, Lupul's mystery injury, dumping Lou sneakily, leaking Marners contract negotiations, Matthew and friends terrorising a female security guard, now allowing Babs to do this to Spezza. What a classy organization.

2.) 02 Oct 2019 20:49:33
not bashing the leafs but this is nothing new for Babcock a lot of former players don't like him.

3.) 02 Oct 2019 20:51:54
Well you know I never like to bash anybody. unless they deserve it, but it does seem like a weird decision. I guess it's just Babcock's way of telling Dubas "I control this team, not you"?

Babcock does seem very egotistical that way.

4.) 02 Oct 2019 22:12:55
The interesting thing that I heard today by many of the hockey analysts was that this was not the first time Babcock benched a player to prevent him from achieving a milestone or celebratory game.

Babcock did the same thing to Mike Modano when he was in Detroit by benching him on the last game of the season which left him with 1,499 games played instead of reaching the 1,500 milestone.

While the Leafs have had their troubles recently l, I feel this situation deserves to be more focused on bashing Babcock for his disrespect to players.

This is why many players refused to stay in Detroit for long because of Babcock’s style.

I personally was glad when he left Detroit as we needed a change and a new voice. (Although Blashill still has similar tendencies as Babs but that’s another topic)

5.) 02 Oct 2019 22:18:28
It's his job to put the best team he can on the ice. Not sure who he has in his place, but, he's the coach. his call.
However, if I was Spezza, I'd be a hurt too., I'm sure he grew up a Leafs fan, and had been dreaming of the day to put on that Jersey, I'm sure he could have made maybe 3X what he is making this season to play somewhere else and he a regular bottom 6 guy in the line up.
So Leafs 17, I agree with ya, put the classy veteran in. This is opening night of the regular season, not the Playoffs.

6.) 02 Oct 2019 22:26:48
I’ve heard that also habby. A reasonable response from Joe is always appreciated and I agree that it’s a control issue. Spezza is not a solid 2 way player and I believe he didn’t like the signing to begin with and is letting everyone know how he feels. A typical response from Islandjet is also appreciated. I guess I asked for that response, lol. You must be a pleasure to be around.

7.) 02 Oct 2019 23:14:56
I don’t think Shore is a better option than Spezza Sosa. I’ve never been a big Spezza fan but c’mon Babcock.

8.) 02 Oct 2019 23:47:27
If the difference between winning or losing your home opener, when you’re supposed to be a top 5 team in the nhl, against a team that is rebuilding/ inexperienced, is starting some random fourth liner over another random fourth liner, maybe you’re just not a very good coach (or your team is overrated)

9.) 02 Oct 2019 23:49:33
So not playing the guy who signed cheap to come home and play for his hometown team, on opening night? That’a a bit of a di#k move.

10.) 03 Oct 2019 02:37:49
@Datsyuk The interesting thing about that is you’re a wings fan and you’re hearing about that today. I’m sure it was talked about at the time but everything is magnified in Toronto, good or bad.

11.) 03 Oct 2019 02:56:18
It was against OTT, not like they were playing a powerhouse like EDM (😜 joke, obv) .
Spezza should’ve played.

12.) 03 Oct 2019 06:16:06
“Folks, Spezza is a very well respected longtime NHL veteran. He signs with his hometown team, has a good camp. playing in the Leafs home opener vs his former team is a big deal for him. Babcock scratches Spezza. Textbook scumbag move from the biggest fraud in the game”
-Mike Commodore.

13.) 03 Oct 2019 11:46:34
@sosahabs24, Just answering your question and adding a few points.

He put Nick Shore in the lineup in his place because of his PK abilities (Nick Shore also came over from the KHL, from what I heard to return to the NHL) . While I understand icing the best lineup. with the team that the Leafs have, this one game would not be detrimental to their odds of a playoff spot. If anything, Spezza’s excitement may actually make other players happier.

If his replacement was a key player that you know is a difference maker, then I understand the decision. Choosing Nick Shore for this one game over the better player in Spezza is mind boggling.

14.) 03 Oct 2019 13:35:52
I was only able to watch the 1st period and caught the rest of the highlights later. Can someone please tell me that Shore was an absolute stud on the PK. I know they killed 3 penalties but I’m sure Spezza would’ve done just fine. I started not liking Babcock last season with the way he handled Matthew’s ice time. He needs to put differences aside and play the best players.

15.) 03 Oct 2019 14:55:56
Totally agree with ya Datsyuk.

16.) 03 Oct 2019 16:39:22
@Leafs17, I probably heard about the Modano situation before but it’s definitely the power of Leafs media that brings out every story more clearly. Although as Wings fans, we were kind of used to Babcock’s strict roster choices that this either was missed or rather we were just too frustrated with all of the round 1 exits.

Like playing Glenndenning as a top line center in the playoffs against the lightning that one year.

Babcock plays favourites. While loyalty is good, it can also be harmful in other areas.

17.) 03 Oct 2019 19:08:17
He definitely plays favourites.



03 Aug 2019 20:35:58
I just want to bitch for a minute. I like the PTO to Neuvirth, I like him better than Hutchinson. But Matt f'n Read? A small RW whose probably never been in a fight or thrown a body check in his career. He's played 31 games in the last 2 years with 2 points. Obviously his best days are behind him. My only guess is they want a penalty killer in which he was pretty good at years ago. How about a player with some tenacity?


1.) 04 Aug 2019 03:21:51
Or they just might be trying to stock up the farm team.

2.) 04 Aug 2019 05:50:59
It's a PTO. Chill, dude.

3.) 04 Aug 2019 06:13:36
I understand it’s a PTO but it could be a guy like McQuaid or someone with character.

4.) 04 Aug 2019 11:52:22
Lol so you complain about Read but want McQuaid? I can't lol.

5.) 04 Aug 2019 12:40:12
I’d want McQuade too he plays a physical game which the leafs lack. I’d like to see a dirty player on the leafs to cancel players out in the playoffs.

6.) 04 Aug 2019 14:03:47
#1 wanting a player to "play dirty" and "cancel players out in the playoffs" disqualifies your entire comment altogether. That's just plain stupid and not in the sense of any sports or sportsmanship. Cheap and dumb comment.

#2 Putting that aside for a second, physicality is not what solves your problem when at the same time it creates the problem of having a rubbishty player on the ice to provide said physicality.

7.) 04 Aug 2019 14:24:53
Vbb obviously leafs management doesn't think the same as you or they would have kept kadri.

8.) 04 Aug 2019 14:40:34
He’s also not bad defensively at all he’s very solid on the PK is take him over Ristolainen any day. Also look at what a player like Scott Stevens did for the devils. Ruined Lindros’s career if a player could hit like that in today’s game they’d be extremely valuable. I don’t think I’ve ever seen McDavid get hit dirty yet I’d love to see more fish players like Stevens.

9.) 04 Aug 2019 15:55:08
Yes triplets I’d take McQuaid over Read. It’s a PTO so we’re not talking superstars. Is something wrong with wanting a physical player that will defend his teammates? A guy that knows the Bruins very well and they know him. McQuaid is a player that would benefit any team come playoff time. Tampa could’ve used a player like him when they were man handled 4 straight, dude.

10.) 04 Aug 2019 20:23:46
Scott Stevens would be kicked out of the league if he played now. 90% of his hits would be illegal by today's rules. Plus mcquaid is a number 7 blue liner any higher then that on your depth chart and toughness isn't your biggest problem anyway.

11.) 04 Aug 2019 20:40:52
Stevens was a beast, but yes I’m sure most of his hits were to the head.

12.) 04 Aug 2019 22:12:10
This is the dumbest post of all time.
THIS IS A PTO (! ) . Nobody is giving him any money not to mention a contract.
The risk is literally 0, the biggest risk being is that he is going to injure somebody else in practise, but like you said he doesn’t hit.

What’s the problem?

13.) 04 Aug 2019 23:24:32
I didn’t say it was a risk by any means, just want some character. Some of these guys on PTO’s do get a contract, I hope Neuvirth does. I’m not sure why they have PTO’ s TyBa4 if players don’t get a contract?

14.) 05 Aug 2019 00:24:18
Who cares if the leafs had Stevens today they could’ve just tapped him on the Shoulder and said go run Bergeron from behind and the leafs would’ve won the series.

15.) 05 Aug 2019 07:12:58
Nothing more to say to guys that apparently think "canceling out players of the playoffs" and "ruining other players' careers" is sth that has a place in hockey, let alone is a positive quality of a player. Disgusting.

16.) 05 Aug 2019 13:41:16
Maybe not injure him but it’d scare him for the series.

17.) 05 Aug 2019 15:32:41
I didn’t say anything about hurting anyone, maybe you should read it again instead of grouping everyone together. Drais I thought you knew the game of hockey, it is still a physical sport, especially in the playoffs. I guess we’ll see if Toronto or Tampa make it to the cup with a team full of bitches. Most on this site said Boston didn’t have what it takes. They’re a big, mean and physical team that are built for playoff hockey. Until checking is eliminated completely from the game, the physical players still play a big role. This is not house league like you’re used to.

18.) 05 Aug 2019 21:14:50
Even a signing or PTO hurts your feelings? So awesome. So sorry.

19.) 05 Aug 2019 21:51:22
Well, you know, just like there's something in between black and white, there's something between "not a physical sport" (which I never ever said anywhere, btw) and "canceling out players of the playoffs" and "ruining other players' careers".

Also, where did I say that what I said applies to you? I meant VB.

20.) 06 Aug 2019 02:32:28
I agree triplets. I like physical hockey, not players that look to hurt people. Learn how to have a discussion Yupp. You say the same thing every time you post. i'm sure it’s past your bedtime, so get back to me in the morning tiger. I was simply bashing my own team, something the great Yupp has never done. At least your team has physical players where they lack in talent.

21.) 06 Aug 2019 18:45:36
I didn't think VB was old enough to know of Scott Stevens.
Also, no one would take out Bergeron like that.

22.) 07 Aug 2019 15:27:25
Don Cherry’s Rockem And sockem showed me who Scott Stevens is lol.

23.) 08 Aug 2019 03:18:28
Rockem sockem hockey was the main cause of concussions in today's nhl imo. All those kids growing up watching those videos thinking that's how they had to hit to become a nhl player. I remember when they came out. Almost over night my local minor hockey association turned into war on ice. And we were like 12 or 14 year olds. Thanks for the bruises grapes maybe I'll meet you someday and I can return the favour lol.




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31 Aug 2020 07:34:51
This has went on for long enough vbb’s, I can’t take it. COLTON PARAYKO. You know how good he is yet you put an N in his name for years now.




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26 Aug 2020 11:54:41
Get that Chickenfoot out of your mouth. I love when people don’t realize the trade already happened and bash the poster. You could almost hear how angry chicky is, bahaha





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11 Aug 2020 08:39:43
Or 5 years of someone crying from mommy’s tit that the leafs tanked for McDavid. Some of the newer people on this site may not remember. I hope the kid requests a trade like Kassian’s uncle told me he would. #McD deserves better.




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11 Feb 2020 15:22:25
Why would Ottawa want Thornton and Marleau? Better yet, why would they want to go to Ottawa? They want a cup.




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08 Feb 2020 05:23:52
I’m confused.





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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.




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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.




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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too




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Not really