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22 Aug 2021 00:17:19
Just a thought I had due to the hole left by Kreicji in Boston at 2C:

Boston Trades:
Debrusk $3.675
Smith $3.8
2022 1st

Calgary Trades:
Monahan 6.375

Cap nearly evens out. Flames try to get best value they can for Monahan while they can. Bruins get their 2C who can play 1C if injuries occur.

Not sure who adds? Is this close?


1.) 22 Aug 2021 05:24:00
Interesting. I don't know enough about Studnicka or Smith to say but at least they're both right shots.

Smith is 30 years old has good size and his career stats look ok. If he has grit (or at least isn't soft) and plays a good two way game he could be a very useful middle 6 RW. He has 2 years left on his contract which IMO is perfect for the Flames needs right now.

Studnicka at 6'1" 172 lbs probably needs to fill out a bit more but he's still young. He doesn't have much NHL experience and I don't how much upside he has but if he can make the team at RW or center he'd be a nice addition.

Debrusk. The Flames don't need another LW. He's not a bad player but his salary is too high for where he'd be on depth chart at LW in Calgary. Still they could probably find a use for him somewhere or just flip him elsewhere.

The first round pick will likely be a late one but it's always nice to have more first round picks.

Overall I think it's a pretty decent offer but Boston might need to retain a little salary to make it work for the Flames.

2.) 22 Aug 2021 12:39:06
Boston: Hard no. Take out Studnicka, at the very least.

3.) 22 Aug 2021 13:05:33
I like it obviously but I think it’s an overpayment from Boston.

4.) 22 Aug 2021 14:39:52
@Moxnix, thanks for the in-depth analysis. I thought about retention but just taking a look at Cap friendly I thought both teams were pretty cap strapped so it needed to be even. That’s why I threw both players in there.

I don’t know if any Bruins fans here could speak to Debrusk playing the opposite side. If so then this trade would give them depth at wing.

Hopefully Studnicka’s upside or the first can help Calgary fill out their C depth that is weakened with Monahan moved.

Wanted to share more of my thoughts on putting this together, to me it seems interesting as I don’t see Coyle/ Haula being the replacements for Kreicji. Plus Boston is in a win now mode.

5.) 22 Aug 2021 15:29:44
@Datsyuk_Fan13 The reason I said Boston might have to retain a bit is Debrusk and Smith combined cap hit is $1.1 million higher than Monahan's and that's not even counting Studnicka's cap hit.

@seabass From the Flames PoV if they take anything out it would be Debrusk but then Boston would have trouble fitting Monny under the cap.

6.) 22 Aug 2021 19:16:35
@Moxnix, yes you’re right there. My math was off I thought it was even and didn’t realize it was over. Yeah that makes sense to retain enough to make the cap even of $1.1 difference.

Debrusk and Smith looked like the only two players that would be open to trading by Boston and at an even cap hit. Not sure if Studnicka’s readiness is at NHL or if he needs more time to develop. If he needs another year in AHL, then that would give Flames time to work around to fit him.

7.) 22 Aug 2021 19:27:55
Just an overall thought, What if Debrusk was moved in another deal somewhere else for Bruins to clear cap (picks/ prospects in return)

Then the deal is:

Conditional 2nd ( 2nd that becomes 1st if Bruins reach conference finals)


No retention needed as Bruins cleared room in separate deal. Also put a condition on the first to account for Studnicka being higher value than I originally thought.

Would this make sense for both clubs?

8.) 22 Aug 2021 21:26:02
@Datsyuk that one seems pretty good. Maybe change the condition to if Monahan gets over 60-65 points. And add retention from Calgary to make the money work.

9.) 22 Aug 2021 23:39:47
I could live with that with the conditional pick @Websjac suggested.

10.) 22 Aug 2021 23:55:22
@websjac that would be a really good idea aswell.

11.) 23 Aug 2021 16:34:06
@Webs, I definitely like that idea for the condition. That seems like one that would work for both and encourage Monahan’s efforts potentially.

Although I don’t see retention needed if they clear Debrusk is another trade. So they make room to fit in Monahan’s cap.



10 Aug 2021 22:18:06
Tyler Bertuzzi Trade ideas:

Detroit Trades:

LA Trades:
One of Byfield, Turcotte or Vilardi

(Respectively would have adds on either side based on the centres available )

Detroit Trades:

Toronto Trades:
Sandin + (picks)

Detroit Trades:
Bertuzzi ( Probably adds something here)

Montreal trades:
Romanov, Poehling, Primeau


Kotkankemi , Primeau + pick

Detroit Trades:

Calgary Trades:
Zary + (Not sure of Zary's value so added a + here )

Detroit Trades:
Bertuzzi +

Winnipeg Trades:

Mostly looking to target a trade with Bertuzzi for young Centre or Defense prospects. Let me know if you have any other fits who may be moving one of those prospects or interested in Bertuzzi. Not actively shopping him but just curious on the prospects/picks he could bring in a deal.


1.) 10 Aug 2021 22:37:30
Winnipeg isn't moving Perfetti for Bertuzzi.

2.) 10 Aug 2021 22:54:33
Montreal has added toffoli and Hoffman in back to back off seasons for nothing. I doubt they would be interested in giving up a chunk of their prospect pool for bertuzzi who really doesn’t do any more then either of them.

3.) 10 Aug 2021 23:31:11
I think your over valuing Bertuzzi., I know you said adds here and there, but he's not the type that gets the Kings thinking of trading Byfield. As for my team, No. he's not what the Habs need, and taking those guys out, creates other holes.

I think he's a good player, jus, nothing there seems like a fit.

4.) 11 Aug 2021 02:11:21
He would be a good fit on the leafs though.

5.) 11 Aug 2021 02:37:07
I think you're overvaluing Bertuzzi. He's not bad but he's not worth a top prospect. At any rate Calgary doesn't need another LW, they have too many now, what the Flames really need is a top 6 right shot RW and possibly a top 4 LD.

6.) 11 Aug 2021 02:45:24
Whatever Dvorak gets is probably what Bertuzzi gets or similar in that sense. Something along the lines of a 1st + a B level prospect. Not team’s best prospect, expecting any of those C from LA, KK/ Romanov+ or Sandin is crazy.

7.) 11 Aug 2021 03:42:15
I think that Bertuzzi’s a better player than Mantha - however, I feel like GMs would rather Mantha over Bertuzzi in general, so I think Bertuzzi’s value is slightly less than Manthas.

Mantha got Vrana, Panik, 1st, 2nd which was a fleecejob in itself. Panik was waived earlier in the season and came in at a full 2.5x3 so he was a complete cap dump, while Vrana was an undervalued piece in Washington whod have no place when Mantha came in - those two don’t cancel each other out, Vranas got much more positive value than Panik has negative, but I’m also saying that Mantha>Bert in NHL GM’s eyes, so taking that into consideration, I’d say:

1st, 2nd, 30ish point player (Sam Steel type, average kind of young guy) is probably fair value for Bertuzzi. Instead of taking back Vrana and Panik, you’d get a middling young piece like a Sam Steel type whos struggled but is still young and can play third line ish minutes.

8.) 11 Aug 2021 14:52:25
Just from the financial point of view as good as Bertuzzi is the Jets don't need to have to pay him big money in a couple of years when they have control over Perfetti, who may turn out to be a superior player, much longer.

9.) 11 Aug 2021 15:08:07
Thank you everyone, I know I went after some big targets here. Honestly was not certain of the league’s value of what it would take to acquire. I recall many teams sniffing around trying to see if he’s available especially if they lost out on Hyman.

So with higher bidders, higher price. Maybe not as high as proposed but that’s why I suggested adds.

I’m also not to familiar with those particular teams needs that I shared. I was just picking teams that had C and D prospects we would be interested in.

Does anyone have an idea of a Bertuzzi for the best Centre/ Defense prospect a team is willing to give up? (Not necessarily in the tier prospects I mentioned but similar positions)

10.) 11 Aug 2021 15:13:48
Based on the comments here, it sounds like Winnipeg, Calgary and Montreal wouldn’t have much interest. Not sure if any of them have any other Centres/ Defense prospects they might consider offering in the ones I shared’s place.

As for LA: they have 3 good young Centres and we’re looking for winger depth. My guess is Villardi is the odd man out of those 3. So I think he would be a reasonable target with adds as needed to make it work.

Toronto was asking for Bertuzzi and my thoughts were only Sandin/ Lilijgren are the two prospects we would likely aim for based on need. Plus their picks aren’t that high. Not sure which of those two D have less value but once again that was a starting point for conversation.

11.) 11 Aug 2021 17:19:50
Bertuzzi is a good player, but none of these proposals seem very realistic. An easy no from everyone.

12.) 11 Aug 2021 18:24:33
You don’t think Bertuzzi can get Vilardi, Sandin or Zary?

13.) 11 Aug 2021 18:55:15
@Ebsolutely Not Zary, though the Flames could certainly use Bertuzzi's grit, what they really need is a right shot RW, not another left shot LW.

Unless Gaudreau goes, then there just might be room for Bertuzzi but even then they'd still have Tkachuk and Mangiapane for the top 2 lines.

Blake Coleman will likely wind up playing RW on one of the top lines. If the Flames can find another RW good enough to play in the top 6 then both Tkachuk and Mangiapane can go back to where they belong at LW.

14.) 11 Aug 2021 22:04:41
I think I asked for too many prospects here or ones that are very untouchable. Goal here was not to over value Bertuzzi but to see what kinds of pieces would be involved. Trade rumours have died down on him recently but wouldn’t surprise if picked up again at deadline or next offseason.

Are there any Centre or Defense prospects (Centres preferred) available that you would send for Bertuzzi? Looking for a key piece to be a good prospect rather than a what if pick.

15.) 12 Aug 2021 01:05:56
@Datsyuk_Fan13 If Bertuzzi was a right shot RW Calgary would be very interested.

Ya never know though, they still might be interested in him as part of a package for Monahan or Gaudreau.

16.) 12 Aug 2021 01:25:23
He might not be a player Calgary needs but he definitely gets Zary and more in a trade.

17.) 12 Aug 2021 12:16:04

That makes sense now understanding Calgary’s needs but from a Detroit perspective we would want picks/ prospects. So if Flames move Gaudreau or Monahan elsewhere, they can circle back to us to make a pick/ prospect deal for Bertuzzi.

We just wouldn’t be thrilled with the most likely point of adding to Bertuzzi to get either Gaudreau or Monahan.



17 Jul 2021 01:41:41
Confirmed Trade:

Detroit Trades:
2021 Edm 2nd (Pick 52)
Richard Panik (50% retained)

NY Islanders Trade:
Nick Leddy ( 1 year left at 5.5 million )

Thoughts on the deal?


1.) 17 Jul 2021 04:09:34
Kinda reminds me of the Stepan trade the Sens made. Investing in a guy they can hopefully sell for more at the deadline.

2.) 17 Jul 2021 04:25:43
Leddy can probably help the younger D Detroit has, and maybe get a 2nd back at deadline.

3.) 17 Jul 2021 04:41:19
If his play doesn’t drop off I bet he gets more then a 2nd at deadline. without the expansion draft upcoming the isles don’t trade him that cheap.

4.) 17 Jul 2021 15:45:11
That makes sense in my mind. Also this draft is weaker so giving up one of our 3 2nds is not bad in my books and we get out of Panik’s extra year.

Leddy will be with us for a year or less if moved at deadline.

Like an offensive mentor for Seider as he’s strong on defense already that he could probably use insights on how to grow his offensive side of the game.

5.) 17 Jul 2021 16:10:35
Ah yes. Totally unbelievable. Why is this post 1-1 lmao.

6.) 17 Jul 2021 17:59:14
I'm expecting his stats to drop some, going from islanders to red wings. But mostly a team drop, and not his actual play. Though he'll probably look worse on the eyeball test, as trotz's system was great for him.



03 Jun 2021 01:05:50
Going to give a Red Wings shot at the Draft with the Seth Jones trade rumours:

Detroit trades:

Washington 1st 2021, Cholowski, Hirose, 2021 Edmonton 2nd

Columbus trades:

Seth Jones (Maybe an extension if possible)

Columbus gets some young picks/ pieces.

Detroit gets a top defenseman who they can possibly convince to stay. Also rumoured that Werenski would be looking at Detroit in free agency. So Jones and Werenski can reunite in Detroit at that time.

Detroit Lines:

Ex. Veleno

Dekeyser- Jones
Staal- Lindstrom
Ex. Seider


Eventually Werenski will take Dekeyser's spot.

Value wise is it close? Too much? Too little?


1.) 03 Jun 2021 02:01:01
I got told an A prospect and 2 1sts (one of which is 10th Ova) was way too little for Jones so I’m guessing they’d also say this is way too little.

2.) 03 Jun 2021 04:24:27
Jones to Detroit makes no sense they’re in no position to be acquiring rentals. If anything they’ll sign him as a ufa.



13 Feb 2021 04:37:38
Crazy Goalie Roulette idea:

Vegas Trades:
Fleury($7 mill) , 2021 1st

Detroit Trades:
Bernier($3 mill), 4th 2021

Vegas saves. $4mill in cap this year and $7mill the next. gets back up for Lehner. Detroit gets a draft pick much needed. Fleury waives because of the following.

Detroit Trades:
Fleury (50% retained $3.5 per)

Pittsburgh Trades:
Jarry ($3.5) + 2021 1st

Pittsburgh runs a Fleury-DeSmith tandem to compete and keeps their forward group intact by moving the underperforming goalie. Detroit at the end of the day gets to walk away with 2 additional firsts to help jump the rebuild by adding to their prospect pool.

Plus getting Jarry is a bonus to see if he can bounce back or move him as well.

This is just an idea, might be more of an off-season thing.

Are there any adds? Too much?

The payments are high to dump cap and ensure goalie depth isn't hurt for any team.


1.) 13 Feb 2021 09:18:30
Interesting idea

2.) 13 Feb 2021 19:51:11
I don’t think Vegas trades Flury he may be the starter come playoff time if he keeps it up.

3.) 14 Feb 2021 01:45:54
I think this year, 2 starting goalies is going to benefit vegas down the stretch. Fleury is already a fan favorite there too. I wouldn't trade a first to give him up.

4.) 14 Feb 2021 03:09:47
Ok so pens don't have a 1rst. Desmith will be the goalie going. Not even close.

5.) 14 Feb 2021 18:15:43
I was mostly thinking Vegas was in cap crunch so reducing the cap spent on Goalies could help without hurting the core.

You’re really paying to remove salary as Vegas gets a 4th and a 1B to support Lehner.

So it’s not a total loss for Vegas, plus they can use extra cap to add elsewhere at Deadline.

6.) 14 Feb 2021 18:18:10
I understand that Pens may want to keep Jarry. The reason I chose him over DeSmith is for cap reasons. Pens get to keep everyone else. Gets a starting goalie and keeps the younger DeSmith to replace and get mentored.

Pens also escape Jarry’s extra term as well.

I thought I saw they had a first this year but I’m open to 2022 1st in its place so Detroit will have 2 1sts in each draft.

7.) 14 Feb 2021 18:20:11
Detroit’s goal is to utilize their cap space to stock draft picks.

Vegas’s goal is to remain competitive while saving cap to spend at Deadline for other needs.

Penguins goal is to improve their goaltending and save additional cap to spend on defense or offends into the next season.

That was my idea with this post.

8.) 14 Feb 2021 19:29:45
An awful trade idea. Fleury does not have negative value and if you think so watch a game. If Vegas really wanted to shed his cap, I’m sure they could find a suitor willing to give up a first easily.

9.) 14 Feb 2021 22:52:53
If this happened, fleury could be taken twice in expansion draft, from Pittsburgh both times.

I understand the point of the trade, but fleury has looked amazing so far, and in a condensed season, if vegas has to win down the stretch, or lehner gets injured, I'm much more confident with fleury. If you get something for him it's OK, but to give up a first and downgrade in net to possibly make another trade, which would probably require a first to get someone good, doesn't seem worth it to me.

10.) 15 Feb 2021 01:45:25
I have seen that Fleury has been better and I understand the feedback here which is appreciated.

I wasn’t absolutely certain on the trade values here but was focusing on the overall premise for each team.

If they all want to go differently and have another plan, that’s up to them.




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17 Feb 2021 23:57:59
Can I ask why Pierre Engvall is like every Leafs fan's gift they want to send in any trade?

He's got 17 points in 55 games between 2 NHL seasons.

He's got 56 points in 94 games between 3 AHL seasons.

Yes he's 24 and has some upside to be a middle six winger but he shouldn't be tossed around all the time.

Is there something I don't know that makes his value super high?

To me, he seems like an extra depth player you might take a shot on to see if he can explode with your team.


1.) 18 Feb 2021 04:01:55
You're not missing anything. He's the new Jeremy Bracco for Pinball. A waiver level player that he thinks has value.

2.) 18 Feb 2021 04:05:17
He’s not in trade propsals for value he’s a good 4th liners that’s put in trades to make the leafs cap compliant.

3.) 18 Feb 2021 05:26:40
I agree that he’s a good 4th liner but value shouldn’t be that high?

Plus his cap is only 1.25 million. Are the leafs that tight on cap, that they can’t make a deal without moving him?

They seemed to be in a better spot last I checked, not great but better.

4.) 18 Feb 2021 05:46:31
He’s the new Roslovic. Oh wait, maybe Winnipeg should’ve held onto him and that other guy.

5.) 18 Feb 2021 13:38:54
Actually Engvall is nowhere close in skill or value to Roslovic. Engvall at 24 has 17 career points, that's pretty putrid. Engvall is a worthless player that every team has at least two or three of and would easily pass through waivers unclaimed as he its a waste of a contract slot.

6.) 18 Feb 2021 15:36:19
Yes the leafs are that tight against the cap that he needs to be moved in any proposal.

7.) 18 Feb 2021 16:19:30
I agree Memarcus, there’s a chance he goes through waivers. Khaira probably has similar value and I think he went through this year.

8.) 18 Feb 2021 17:41:01
Yeah Ebs, I could see someone picking Engvall up if they had injuries and just needed a body for the taxi squad or something. Other than that, why bother.

9.) 18 Feb 2021 18:19:12
its not just about stats bro.

10.) 18 Feb 2021 19:28:11
Obviously Engvall is a throw in for cap reasons. He is a
3-4 liner tops. He’s a big body that can skate and he’s pretty good on the penalty kill. I’m sure any team would like him.

11.) 20 Feb 2021 02:47:34
Engvall is the next Kyle Connor.

12.) 20 Feb 2021 20:59:53
Go to capfriendly instead of asking questions you can get the answer for yourself

Engvall has lie value in any 1 for 1 deals

However, like the kappy deal ,with Pittsburg, there were 3 minor leaguers and a 4th liner involved to go with kappy a 1st and prospect just to make everything work for both teams.

Throwing in lower valued players to make cap or roster size compliance happens about 10% of the time.

Grabner for 5 non nhl roster players is prime example.
Toronto had a huge list of AHL contracts that year so had to berid a bu ch to move forward so got an nhl player for non nhl players at the time.

Since Teams have 3 numbers they need to comply with the 1st is 23 nhl contracts then next 50 standard contract nhl+ELC+2 way deals then 100 which is all nhl level contracts +AHL contracts + non signed draftees

So throwins happen and engvall is Toronto’s throwin
Whether you agree if his skill or not he would be in 10 teams 3rd lube easily this year. Just not the good teams hence why he is a 4th liner when all is healthy in Toronto

His contract is also one of the best contracts to bury due to how that formula works it costs .175 to do so this the team saves 1.075 toward your cap if you bury him during off days so that’s value in it sel

Players worth aren’t just on ice product



16 Nov 2020 22:14:25
Not saying Detroit will move him but curious on the trade value:

Dennis Cholowski (22 years old, 1 year left on ELC)

Split time the last couple seasons between Detroit and Grand Rapids.

So what would you trade for him? Any takers?

My thoughts it would be a change of scenery-esque deal where he gets moved for an equivalent level Defenseman or Center.


1.) 17 Nov 2020 04:54:42
Reminds me of a Oliver Kylington type situation with Cholowski. Considering Detroit is thin on D, I don’t see them moving him unless it’s in a package involving a bigger piece coming back.

2.) 17 Nov 2020 23:49:21
NotACasual, that makes sense in terms of comparison.

Is there any interest out there for a team with him being part of that type of package?

Personally I’m thinking maybe Anaheim or LA might be an option since they have lots of young Cs and could use Defenseman.

3.) 19 Nov 2020 05:58:32
LA, CLB would probably be the best fit. LA has a really weak core behind Doughty, Columbus lost Nutivaara & Murray. Ducks have a pretty good defence core with Lindholm, Shattenkirk, Fowler, Manson & Djoos so I’m not too sure about them.



14 Jun 2020 16:35:25
Let's say Sharks need Cap Space and are looking to dump Martin Jones:

What would the + be for Jones to take on the term of his contract?

I could see my Red Wings consider taking Jones for the add on.

Ottawa and New Jersey could be a couple other options.

Wondering what's the add to dump Jones?


1.) 15 Jun 2020 21:27:09
Would the wings be interested in Leblanc/ Merkley? Those are the two pieces I could see.

2.) 16 Jun 2020 02:27:48
Wings would likely be more interested in Merkley of the two but even then they would prefer Tampa’s first and additional draft picks instead.

3.) 16 Jun 2020 11:51:57
Jones, Vlasic, Merkely and Tampas 1st for Justin Abdelkader.

4.) 16 Jun 2020 22:45:05
Nope leave out Merkley and Vlasic.

Will gladly for Jones for Abdelkader straight up or

Jones + pick for a low draft pick.



17 Oct 2019 23:03:40
Not necessarily a trade post but more of a what type of contracts you think these players will get at the end of the season?

Sam Reinhart
Brandon Montour
Nikita Zadorov
Max Domi
Ryan Pulock
Josh Andersen
Pierre-Luc Dubois
Kevin Labanc
Nico Hischier
Nolan Patrick
Casey Mittlestadt
Mikhail Sergachev
Dylan Strome
Tyson Jost
Jack Roslovic
Matt Murray
Darnell Nurse
Anthony Mantha
Andreas Athanasiou
Tyler Bertuzzi

There's probably more key RFAs I missed, if you have any thoughts on them please feel free to comment.

Just trying to get a sense of the next impending RFA class at the end of this season. Will we see similar hold outs for money? Will it be bridge or long term? Another Offer Sheet? Sign and trades?

Probably way to early but we can maybe make predictions/discuss and see if it changes this season


1.) 18 Oct 2019 10:20:28
Reinhart:7 million×8 years

Montour:6 million × 6 years







2.) 18 Oct 2019 19:42:38
Wow! After I made this post there is a confirmed extension for Nico Hischier.

7 years x 7.25 mill AAV. Thoughts on the deal? Does that affect the next RFA market?

3.) 19 Oct 2019 01:25:35
Not bad, he's still like not proven to be worth that yet but will be worth it in 2 years for sure.



24 Sep 2019 02:08:50
Since we have been talking Laine's value, trying to compare it with Kyle Connor's.

Which of the two players gets a better return? Are the expected returns different for each player?

Are the Jets needs a 2C, Top 4 RH Dman or a close replacement to Laine/Connor if they are moved?

Is that where we should be aiming? Are the Jets still cup focused or are they retooling?


1.) 24 Sep 2019 13:57:48
I think you'd be best off aiming at different players. Highly, highly unlikely either is traded. Unless it is a killer return that makes the Jets immediately better and still has a ton of potential for the future.

2.) 24 Sep 2019 14:35:47
@mcmarcus, I’m not necessarily expecting them to be traded or even to my team. Just want to understand their current value and the Jets situation if they hypothetically would be moved.

From exterior perspectives we see, Jets losing three Top 4 Dman ( Trouba, Myers, Possibly Buff) . Still have two of their Top 6 wingers unsigned.

So what is the Jets goal (Playoffs or Retool? ) You seem to be expecting futures and current win now players.

3.) 24 Sep 2019 15:29:56
If Connor and Laine don't sign soon the Jets have to play with what they have. Missing Buff would also be a big hit however it would be interesting to see how they do with some of their NHL ready draft and develop kids that haven't been able to get a chance with the Jets in the past due to their strong lineup. The Jets will be in big trouble if Maurice decide he wants to play some of the useless free agents the team signed this off season for depth on the Moose instead of the kids. A poor start could change what they do with Connor and Laine.

4.) 24 Sep 2019 18:16:23
@islandjet, based on your comments. Are the Jets still focusing on being a cup contender regardless of what happens to Connor/ Laine?

Or will they change the tune to a retool if they haven’t signed them during the season?

5.) 25 Sep 2019 20:46:26

didnt you say that about trouba?

i'll wait while you point out the first line player, top prospect and 2 firsts in a return for laine.

laine is a whiner. he can put the puck in the net, sometimes, and that's all he can (KIND OF) do.

laine isn't the next ovechkin, he's the next phil kessel.

you jets homers are the worst on this page. worse than vb. much worse, and he's a moron.




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02 Sep 2021 16:34:24
From what I know Devils are pretty high on keeping Smith. So I doubt they would move him especially for Reilly with no extension in place.

If they have Reilly guaranteed to be extended, then there is room to negotiate a deal here for sure.

Also like MoxNix said, it depends on how each team sees Smith on whether they consider the deal.




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02 Sep 2021 16:22:51
Value wise I see the main difference being 2 years of the slightly younger Monahan for a 1 year of Hertl.

If Hertl had equal term or an extension, I’d lean towards Hertl having the edge in value so Calgary would need to add. Not necessarily too much, like a 2nd/ 3rd or maybe an equivalent prospect.

If it’s just for rental Hertl, then this is an overpay by Calgary. Rentals don’t get much more than picks/ prospects unless it’s a Rental for Rental swap.

Also my guess is Calgary is going retool and compete. Sharks if moving Hertl would be going towards rebuild territory. So Sharks might not see Monahan as a fit for the rebuild. Calgary also May prefer a Right handed RW in place of left handed C in Hertl. Unless of course they move Monahan to get that RW and then have Hertl fill his spot.

So the deal proposed is interesting, would just need fine tuning based on a couple other factors.




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23 Aug 2021 16:34:06
@Webs, I definitely like that idea for the condition. That seems like one that would work for both and encourage Monahan’s efforts potentially.

Although I don’t see retention needed if they clear Debrusk is another trade. So they make room to fit in Monahan’s cap.




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22 Aug 2021 19:27:55
Just an overall thought, What if Debrusk was moved in another deal somewhere else for Bruins to clear cap (picks/ prospects in return)

Then the deal is:

Conditional 2nd ( 2nd that becomes 1st if Bruins reach conference finals)


No retention needed as Bruins cleared room in separate deal. Also put a condition on the first to account for Studnicka being higher value than I originally thought.

Would this make sense for both clubs?




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22 Aug 2021 19:16:35
@Moxnix, yes you’re right there. My math was off I thought it was even and didn’t realize it was over. Yeah that makes sense to retain enough to make the cap even of $1.1 difference.

Debrusk and Smith looked like the only two players that would be open to trading by Boston and at an even cap hit. Not sure if Studnicka’s readiness is at NHL or if he needs more time to develop. If he needs another year in AHL, then that would give Flames time to work around to fit him.





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03 Aug 2021 22:27:33
Only reason I prefer Coleman to Hyman is his versatility. Hyman plays a gritty go fetch the puck style and is capable on playing that way on both ends while putting up those points by having good hands.

Coleman is realistically more flexible to play any position and up and down the line up as a two way player who can chip in offensively without sacrificing the defence.

Both are very close choices and would ultimately be based on team needs.




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24 Jul 2021 17:59:58
Well the first is in 2022 where the divisions are re-aligned to normal and I think Shane Wright is an option in 2022 right?

So that first is more likely more valuable than the ones being offered this year.

It may still be too little but teams are not as easily giving up their first in the next 2 years due to Wright, Bedard, etc.




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23 Jul 2021 23:08:15
Yeah you were pretty close when thinking of them still going after defense. Surprised Ristolainen was the target over Hamilton though.

The question is are they able to address any offence depth. Maybe find a way to replace Voracek? Philly if they find a consistent game could be at least a fringe playoff team next year.




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22 Jul 2021 23:35:24
Those are pretty good choices. I could definitely see the Penguins just a little more because they need that style.

The Isles have that style in their bottom 6 and likely need a shooter to replace the offense by Eberle they lost.




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22 Jul 2021 23:34:01
I do see it as cap space but with the Ellis deal. Not sure Hamilton is still on their radar.

I thought maybe this is to make room to still pursue a Tarasenko, Landeskog, etc.

Is defense still their weakest link? I thought they would be looking to bolster the offense.

Goaltending is still bright as they still have Hart.