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03 Jun 2021 01:05:50
Going to give a Red Wings shot at the Draft with the Seth Jones trade rumours:

Detroit trades:

Washington 1st 2021, Cholowski, Hirose, 2021 Edmonton 2nd

Columbus trades:

Seth Jones (Maybe an extension if possible)

Columbus gets some young picks/ pieces.

Detroit gets a top defenseman who they can possibly convince to stay. Also rumoured that Werenski would be looking at Detroit in free agency. So Jones and Werenski can reunite in Detroit at that time.

Detroit Lines:

Ex. Veleno

Dekeyser- Jones
Staal- Lindstrom
Ex. Seider


Eventually Werenski will take Dekeyser's spot.

Value wise is it close? Too much? Too little?


1.) 03 Jun 2021 02:01:01
I got told an A prospect and 2 1sts (one of which is 10th Ova) was way too little for Jones so I’m guessing they’d also say this is way too little.

2.) 03 Jun 2021 04:24:27
Jones to Detroit makes no sense they’re in no position to be acquiring rentals. If anything they’ll sign him as a ufa.



13 Feb 2021 04:37:38
Crazy Goalie Roulette idea:

Vegas Trades:
Fleury($7 mill) , 2021 1st

Detroit Trades:
Bernier($3 mill), 4th 2021

Vegas saves. $4mill in cap this year and $7mill the next. gets back up for Lehner. Detroit gets a draft pick much needed. Fleury waives because of the following.

Detroit Trades:
Fleury (50% retained $3.5 per)

Pittsburgh Trades:
Jarry ($3.5) + 2021 1st

Pittsburgh runs a Fleury-DeSmith tandem to compete and keeps their forward group intact by moving the underperforming goalie. Detroit at the end of the day gets to walk away with 2 additional firsts to help jump the rebuild by adding to their prospect pool.

Plus getting Jarry is a bonus to see if he can bounce back or move him as well.

This is just an idea, might be more of an off-season thing.

Are there any adds? Too much?

The payments are high to dump cap and ensure goalie depth isn't hurt for any team.


1.) 13 Feb 2021 09:18:30
Interesting idea

2.) 13 Feb 2021 19:51:11
I don’t think Vegas trades Flury he may be the starter come playoff time if he keeps it up.

3.) 14 Feb 2021 01:45:54
I think this year, 2 starting goalies is going to benefit vegas down the stretch. Fleury is already a fan favorite there too. I wouldn't trade a first to give him up.

4.) 14 Feb 2021 03:09:47
Ok so pens don't have a 1rst. Desmith will be the goalie going. Not even close.

5.) 14 Feb 2021 18:15:43
I was mostly thinking Vegas was in cap crunch so reducing the cap spent on Goalies could help without hurting the core.

You’re really paying to remove salary as Vegas gets a 4th and a 1B to support Lehner.

So it’s not a total loss for Vegas, plus they can use extra cap to add elsewhere at Deadline.

6.) 14 Feb 2021 18:18:10
I understand that Pens may want to keep Jarry. The reason I chose him over DeSmith is for cap reasons. Pens get to keep everyone else. Gets a starting goalie and keeps the younger DeSmith to replace and get mentored.

Pens also escape Jarry’s extra term as well.

I thought I saw they had a first this year but I’m open to 2022 1st in its place so Detroit will have 2 1sts in each draft.

7.) 14 Feb 2021 18:20:11
Detroit’s goal is to utilize their cap space to stock draft picks.

Vegas’s goal is to remain competitive while saving cap to spend at Deadline for other needs.

Penguins goal is to improve their goaltending and save additional cap to spend on defense or offends into the next season.

That was my idea with this post.

8.) 14 Feb 2021 19:29:45
An awful trade idea. Fleury does not have negative value and if you think so watch a game. If Vegas really wanted to shed his cap, I’m sure they could find a suitor willing to give up a first easily.

9.) 14 Feb 2021 22:52:53
If this happened, fleury could be taken twice in expansion draft, from Pittsburgh both times.

I understand the point of the trade, but fleury has looked amazing so far, and in a condensed season, if vegas has to win down the stretch, or lehner gets injured, I'm much more confident with fleury. If you get something for him it's OK, but to give up a first and downgrade in net to possibly make another trade, which would probably require a first to get someone good, doesn't seem worth it to me.

10.) 15 Feb 2021 01:45:25
I have seen that Fleury has been better and I understand the feedback here which is appreciated.

I wasn’t absolutely certain on the trade values here but was focusing on the overall premise for each team.

If they all want to go differently and have another plan, that’s up to them.



03 Jan 2021 15:46:20
Decided to jump in on the Roslovic trade rumours;

Detroit Trades:

Winnipeg Trades:

Who adds? Close?

Would a trade of Roslovic + cap dump for an asset be better? Jets could use extra cap space on future needs. Not saying they are pressed for cap but since Detroit has space, it's an option for them.


1.) 03 Jan 2021 16:16:06
The Jets might consider Cholowski, but he would need an add IMO. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd or a meh prospect.

2.) 03 Jan 2021 16:16:15
I think the Jets would rather trade Rosolovic for a RHD as they have LHD Heinola, Samberg and Stanley waiting in the wings.

3.) 03 Jan 2021 16:37:29
Thank you for the feedback.

Would taking a cap dump be an option instead of the add of a pick? Any cap dumps that Jets would consider moving?

If not would Lindstrom (RHD) + 3rd 2021 be close enough to meet needs?

4.) 03 Jan 2021 16:54:10
Would Fabbri be a good comparison? He got traded for Jacob de la Rose.

5.) 03 Jan 2021 17:11:23
I don't know much about Lindstrom and he hasn't played many games yet. I would trust the Jets scouts though, if they like Lindstrom, I wouldn't have anything against it.

6.) 03 Jan 2021 17:14:39
The Jets would rather have a better prospect than Lindstrom and Fabbri's being a LHD plus having a cap hit of $3 mil would not fit into what the Jets need and can afford.

7.) 03 Jan 2021 17:55:23
Island jet
Fabbri is a forward.

8.) 03 Jan 2021 18:38:41
Sorry about that but Fabbri is still too expensive.

9.) 03 Jan 2021 19:02:32
I don’t think Fabbri was offered here as part of a deal. More so comparing his value to Roslovic’s value if I’m understanding @Ebs correctly?

I’m a Wings fan and I think Roslovic would have more value plus the deal for Fabbri is now seen as a massive steal for us. So likely another deal won’t come along anytime soon.

10.) 03 Jan 2021 19:04:53
As for Lindstrom not being quite what you’re looking for, that’s fine. We don’t really have any other quality RHD that we would be willing to part with for significant value.

Would something like Lindstrom + 3rd 2021 for Roslovic + Cap dump work? The offset value of Lindstrom would be helped by saving cap space for use elsewhere.

11.) 03 Jan 2021 19:39:23
Datsyuk, I think it would depend on whether or not the Jets think they need Perreault's cap space for something else. Overall, I think the Jets would look for something better first and circle back if need be.

12.) 03 Jan 2021 22:56:15
Ok sounds good, thanks for the feedback.

Just wanted to consider this because Roslovic is still fairly young and could be a fit in Detroit.

Also curious from Jets fan perspective, How would you describe his play style? Also does he play C or Wing more often and what’s he best suited to?

These insights might help others better understand him as a player for those like myself who haven’t seen a whole ton of him.

13.) 04 Jan 2021 04:03:56
Roslovic has played both center and wing for the Jets. He's had better success as a winger, but some of that is due to with him playing with better guys as a winger than at center. He doesn't get a lot of ice time and most of it is with stone hands like Lowry and Copp. I think getting top 6 minutes that he could put up 40+ points. He also says he prefers playing center over wing, but for the Jets he has been better at wing, but again some of that could be attributed to linemates.

14.) 04 Jan 2021 22:35:11
Ok that makes sense, thanks. My big interest was in his ability to play C. If he ends up as a winger, we may not be as eager right now as a C is a bigger need for us.



03 Jan 2021 15:37:44
With all the Dubois trade rumours, thought I would jump on board with food for thought. I see the needs between the teams, just not certain on the value:

Minnesota Wild Trades:
Matt Dumba
Joel Erikssen Ek
2nd 2021

Blue Jackets Trade:
Pierre Luc Dubois



1.) 03 Jan 2021 18:35:57
Not close to enough.

2.) 03 Jan 2021 19:06:01
What would be added from Minnesota side? Not overly familiar with their players but thought of this as a base at least.

Was thinking similar to Jones-Johansen comparison deal.

3.) 04 Jan 2021 01:17:54
Columbus would be wanting a better center than Erikssen Ek coming back. Plus more.

Look at the bottom 10 first line centers and top 5 second line centers around the league. A center like that would have to be part of the deal for them to start considering it.

4.) 04 Jan 2021 17:46:37
Minnesota doesn’t have the pieces Columbus would be looking for. Colorado could maybe put up a good offer with Newhook and Byram.

5.) 04 Jan 2021 22:41:18
So would Columbus be looking for a replacement Center? Wasn’t certain of their needs in a trade, thought they would focus on best player they can swap him for regardless of position.

So that’s why I thought Minnesota could be an option.

On the Colorado suggestion, I don’t think they would pay that price. They would likely be happy with their guys.



06 Nov 2020 00:09:56
NY Islanders:

Boychuk( 2 years @ 6 Million per), 1st 2021, Bellows

Detroit Trades: 4th pick 2021

Islanders move cap space to sign Barzal.

Detroit gets value for their cap space by adding picks/prospects.

Thoughts on how close this is ?


1.) 06 Nov 2020 10:12:27
I think maybe take bellows out. he's only signed for 2 more years and is still a servicable defensemen. Boychuk and a 1st is probably what gets the deal done

2.) 06 Nov 2020 14:23:35
I agree with NotACasual. If a 2nd dumped Marc Staal, a 1st would probably dump Boychuck. Maybe add something, but not Bellows. A mid pick or lesser prospect.

3.) 06 Nov 2020 17:34:58
Yeah I was certain about the Bellows add but I felt with the 2nd year, it would closer to a Louis Eriksson Trade value?

So that’s why I was thinking the 1st alone would not be enough. Since we are taking 2 years and not 1.

Also Boychuck is injury prone too.

4.) 07 Nov 2020 00:08:21
@datsyuk_fan13 I totally understand your response. Very good reasoning, I didn’t take into consideration that he’s often injured. Good post

5.) 07 Nov 2020 03:16:12
Thank you @NotACasual.

I definitely see a potential Boychuk + Picks/ Prospects to move him as possible given the term is 2 years and not crazy.

Whether it’s Detroit, can’t say for sure but we would be interested in these types of Deals.




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17 Feb 2021 23:57:59
Can I ask why Pierre Engvall is like every Leafs fan's gift they want to send in any trade?

He's got 17 points in 55 games between 2 NHL seasons.

He's got 56 points in 94 games between 3 AHL seasons.

Yes he's 24 and has some upside to be a middle six winger but he shouldn't be tossed around all the time.

Is there something I don't know that makes his value super high?

To me, he seems like an extra depth player you might take a shot on to see if he can explode with your team.


1.) 18 Feb 2021 04:01:55
You're not missing anything. He's the new Jeremy Bracco for Pinball. A waiver level player that he thinks has value.

2.) 18 Feb 2021 04:05:17
He’s not in trade propsals for value he’s a good 4th liners that’s put in trades to make the leafs cap compliant.

3.) 18 Feb 2021 05:26:40
I agree that he’s a good 4th liner but value shouldn’t be that high?

Plus his cap is only 1.25 million. Are the leafs that tight on cap, that they can’t make a deal without moving him?

They seemed to be in a better spot last I checked, not great but better.

4.) 18 Feb 2021 05:46:31
He’s the new Roslovic. Oh wait, maybe Winnipeg should’ve held onto him and that other guy.

5.) 18 Feb 2021 13:38:54
Actually Engvall is nowhere close in skill or value to Roslovic. Engvall at 24 has 17 career points, that's pretty putrid. Engvall is a worthless player that every team has at least two or three of and would easily pass through waivers unclaimed as he its a waste of a contract slot.

6.) 18 Feb 2021 15:36:19
Yes the leafs are that tight against the cap that he needs to be moved in any proposal.

7.) 18 Feb 2021 16:19:30
I agree Memarcus, there’s a chance he goes through waivers. Khaira probably has similar value and I think he went through this year.

8.) 18 Feb 2021 17:41:01
Yeah Ebs, I could see someone picking Engvall up if they had injuries and just needed a body for the taxi squad or something. Other than that, why bother.

9.) 18 Feb 2021 18:19:12
its not just about stats bro.

10.) 18 Feb 2021 19:28:11
Obviously Engvall is a throw in for cap reasons. He is a
3-4 liner tops. He’s a big body that can skate and he’s pretty good on the penalty kill. I’m sure any team would like him.

11.) 20 Feb 2021 02:47:34
Engvall is the next Kyle Connor.

12.) 20 Feb 2021 20:59:53
Go to capfriendly instead of asking questions you can get the answer for yourself

Engvall has lie value in any 1 for 1 deals

However, like the kappy deal ,with Pittsburg, there were 3 minor leaguers and a 4th liner involved to go with kappy a 1st and prospect just to make everything work for both teams.

Throwing in lower valued players to make cap or roster size compliance happens about 10% of the time.

Grabner for 5 non nhl roster players is prime example.
Toronto had a huge list of AHL contracts that year so had to berid a bu ch to move forward so got an nhl player for non nhl players at the time.

Since Teams have 3 numbers they need to comply with the 1st is 23 nhl contracts then next 50 standard contract nhl+ELC+2 way deals then 100 which is all nhl level contracts +AHL contracts + non signed draftees

So throwins happen and engvall is Toronto’s throwin
Whether you agree if his skill or not he would be in 10 teams 3rd lube easily this year. Just not the good teams hence why he is a 4th liner when all is healthy in Toronto

His contract is also one of the best contracts to bury due to how that formula works it costs .175 to do so this the team saves 1.075 toward your cap if you bury him during off days so that’s value in it sel

Players worth aren’t just on ice product



16 Nov 2020 22:14:25
Not saying Detroit will move him but curious on the trade value:

Dennis Cholowski (22 years old, 1 year left on ELC)

Split time the last couple seasons between Detroit and Grand Rapids.

So what would you trade for him? Any takers?

My thoughts it would be a change of scenery-esque deal where he gets moved for an equivalent level Defenseman or Center.


1.) 17 Nov 2020 04:54:42
Reminds me of a Oliver Kylington type situation with Cholowski. Considering Detroit is thin on D, I don’t see them moving him unless it’s in a package involving a bigger piece coming back.

2.) 17 Nov 2020 23:49:21
NotACasual, that makes sense in terms of comparison.

Is there any interest out there for a team with him being part of that type of package?

Personally I’m thinking maybe Anaheim or LA might be an option since they have lots of young Cs and could use Defenseman.

3.) 19 Nov 2020 05:58:32
LA, CLB would probably be the best fit. LA has a really weak core behind Doughty, Columbus lost Nutivaara & Murray. Ducks have a pretty good defence core with Lindholm, Shattenkirk, Fowler, Manson & Djoos so I’m not too sure about them.



14 Jun 2020 16:35:25
Let's say Sharks need Cap Space and are looking to dump Martin Jones:

What would the + be for Jones to take on the term of his contract?

I could see my Red Wings consider taking Jones for the add on.

Ottawa and New Jersey could be a couple other options.

Wondering what's the add to dump Jones?


1.) 15 Jun 2020 21:27:09
Would the wings be interested in Leblanc/ Merkley? Those are the two pieces I could see.

2.) 16 Jun 2020 02:27:48
Wings would likely be more interested in Merkley of the two but even then they would prefer Tampa’s first and additional draft picks instead.

3.) 16 Jun 2020 11:51:57
Jones, Vlasic, Merkely and Tampas 1st for Justin Abdelkader.

4.) 16 Jun 2020 22:45:05
Nope leave out Merkley and Vlasic.

Will gladly for Jones for Abdelkader straight up or

Jones + pick for a low draft pick.



17 Oct 2019 23:03:40
Not necessarily a trade post but more of a what type of contracts you think these players will get at the end of the season?

Sam Reinhart
Brandon Montour
Nikita Zadorov
Max Domi
Ryan Pulock
Josh Andersen
Pierre-Luc Dubois
Kevin Labanc
Nico Hischier
Nolan Patrick
Casey Mittlestadt
Mikhail Sergachev
Dylan Strome
Tyson Jost
Jack Roslovic
Matt Murray
Darnell Nurse
Anthony Mantha
Andreas Athanasiou
Tyler Bertuzzi

There's probably more key RFAs I missed, if you have any thoughts on them please feel free to comment.

Just trying to get a sense of the next impending RFA class at the end of this season. Will we see similar hold outs for money? Will it be bridge or long term? Another Offer Sheet? Sign and trades?

Probably way to early but we can maybe make predictions/discuss and see if it changes this season


1.) 18 Oct 2019 10:20:28
Reinhart:7 million×8 years

Montour:6 million × 6 years







2.) 18 Oct 2019 19:42:38
Wow! After I made this post there is a confirmed extension for Nico Hischier.

7 years x 7.25 mill AAV. Thoughts on the deal? Does that affect the next RFA market?

3.) 19 Oct 2019 01:25:35
Not bad, he's still like not proven to be worth that yet but will be worth it in 2 years for sure.



24 Sep 2019 02:08:50
Since we have been talking Laine's value, trying to compare it with Kyle Connor's.

Which of the two players gets a better return? Are the expected returns different for each player?

Are the Jets needs a 2C, Top 4 RH Dman or a close replacement to Laine/Connor if they are moved?

Is that where we should be aiming? Are the Jets still cup focused or are they retooling?


1.) 24 Sep 2019 13:57:48
I think you'd be best off aiming at different players. Highly, highly unlikely either is traded. Unless it is a killer return that makes the Jets immediately better and still has a ton of potential for the future.

2.) 24 Sep 2019 14:35:47
@mcmarcus, I’m not necessarily expecting them to be traded or even to my team. Just want to understand their current value and the Jets situation if they hypothetically would be moved.

From exterior perspectives we see, Jets losing three Top 4 Dman ( Trouba, Myers, Possibly Buff) . Still have two of their Top 6 wingers unsigned.

So what is the Jets goal (Playoffs or Retool? ) You seem to be expecting futures and current win now players.

3.) 24 Sep 2019 15:29:56
If Connor and Laine don't sign soon the Jets have to play with what they have. Missing Buff would also be a big hit however it would be interesting to see how they do with some of their NHL ready draft and develop kids that haven't been able to get a chance with the Jets in the past due to their strong lineup. The Jets will be in big trouble if Maurice decide he wants to play some of the useless free agents the team signed this off season for depth on the Moose instead of the kids. A poor start could change what they do with Connor and Laine.

4.) 24 Sep 2019 18:16:23
@islandjet, based on your comments. Are the Jets still focusing on being a cup contender regardless of what happens to Connor/ Laine?

Or will they change the tune to a retool if they haven’t signed them during the season?

5.) 25 Sep 2019 20:46:26

didnt you say that about trouba?

i'll wait while you point out the first line player, top prospect and 2 firsts in a return for laine.

laine is a whiner. he can put the puck in the net, sometimes, and that's all he can (KIND OF) do.

laine isn't the next ovechkin, he's the next phil kessel.

you jets homers are the worst on this page. worse than vb. much worse, and he's a moron.




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09 Jun 2021 22:34:33
It would cost more than that to take the rest of Neal’s dead weight contract.

No matter who you send him to, they would want more. Think like a pair of 2nds or a late first would probably be the ask.

Also Detroit may have good interest in keeping Glenndenning so you may not be able to sign him.

If we weren’t, he likely would have got moved at the deadline.




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06 Jun 2021 17:09:49
These are definitely two teams I could see making a deal because the difference between Carolina and a cup is a Goalie who can steal games and depth scoring.

Although there will be a hole on defense if Hamilton walks unless a young defenseman is ready to emerge or they can fill it through UFA.

The only question I have from Carolina is sending Ned in the deal. A Gibson- Ned tandem would be ideal so they can move on from Mrazek and Reimer.

Perhaps the Ducks would be interested in one of Canes Defenseman instead. They could aim for a Goalie in this year or next year draft to align with the draft class.

That’s just a few of my thoughts, value wise it’s pretty close overall.




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15 May 2021 00:24:43
His health is still a concern. I would say Philadelphia holds onto him because he’s got greater value to them then he would get in a deal right now.

I agree with McMarcus on current value being max a 3rd rounder but could see a conditional 2nd based on games played.

Wouldn’t mind the Wings taking a shot on him for a reasonable return like this but anything greater is too much unless he proves otherwise.




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15 May 2021 00:20:00
Seider is the one player that’s an absolute non-starter.

This still may not be enough for Eichel, that fact that I’d be willing to do it is a sign that it’s probably not enough.

That being said we would be interested as he would accelerate our rebuild but Eichel may not want to shift from one rebuild to another.

Also if Eichel wants out and he has certain level of control where he goes, then it should reduce the overall value a bit.




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06 May 2021 23:28:24
Value wise on the Fabbri deal is not bad, probably going to keep him.





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I think the leafs should have taken that deal. Despite how good Sundin is, they could have had a team instead of just a player for the future.




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Good signing. I wish Detroit did this instead of signing Quincey