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20 Nov 2019 20:47:35
Sounds like Babcock is out. I really didn't think that was going to happen to be honest.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 20 Nov 2019 21:16:11
Why didn't Dubas the GM make the announcement?

2.) 20 Nov 2019 21:19:48
Surprised they didn’t make some kinda of shake up trade first, even a minor one, or fire an assistant coach. What’s Babs, like 3.25 seasons into an 8 year $50M deal? He must have really really lost that room for them to bring in a rookie coach to try and take over this team a quarter into the season.
Dubas should be gone as well, he’ll be next tho.

3.) 20 Nov 2019 21:31:34
Dubas has been the GM for just over a year. He should get a little more time no?

4.) 20 Nov 2019 22:10:17
The GM is the GM. He’s made all these signings and trades, he’s put together this team that has let Babcock down. That’s a pretty lame excuse donscherry.

5.) 21 Nov 2019 01:18:00
I think Dubas is actually good tbh, I liked the Kadri trade, Kerfoot was worth Kadri imo. Overall Dubas is a gm that's stays on the safe side but wins most of his trade. Wasn't crazy about the price he paid to load off Marleau tho. I would of kept Marleau and unload salary by trading Matthews (the cancer)

6.) 21 Nov 2019 01:35:53
That’s my thoughts too yupp. Only three years in, just makes ya think the players wanted him gone.

7.) 21 Nov 2019 03:03:02
Dubas probably been pushing to get Babs out as soon as he took over as GM. He wants his man from the Soo to be him man here in Toronto too. They rise and fall together.

8.) 21 Nov 2019 03:03:59
Dubas didn’t hire Babcock, Shanahan did. That’s why Shanahan made the announcement and fired him in person.

9.) 21 Nov 2019 10:54:01
He has been in for a year and a half yupp. Most of this team was already here before Dubas got there. I think Babcock let himself down.

10.) 21 Nov 2019 20:42:17
Very lame excuse. He’s been there enough to make all these major overpaid signings and some trades that aren’t working out as planned.

11.) 22 Nov 2019 00:45:25
As soon as Babcock dropped below .500 they fired him. Think they would have given him a bit more leash.



26 Sep 2019 15:00:26
Recent report that Drouin is in the rumor mill and Habs are putting his name out there. Maybe looking for a LD?
Any thoughts?

Thunder Turkey

1.) 26 Sep 2019 15:44:31
The media has to have a scape goat I guess I mean other people haven’t look good either. besides Weber and weal the only guys who looked good were players who were not with the team last year.

2.) 26 Sep 2019 15:52:55
It's not surprising. Drouin might attract a 7/ 8 D one for one, if someone is desperate enough to take on his baggage.

Now that teams know he's on the block, Montreal can't expect very much back for him.

3.) 26 Sep 2019 16:10:58
Its ironic that you say that but completely dismiss this when it is said about Laine. pretty sure this is the same sheet WPG is going through with Laine expect Drouin is signed.

4.) 26 Sep 2019 16:28:36
It's ironic that you say that, but completely dismiss it when it is said about Drouin.

Laine is 10x the player Drouin is or ever will be.

Drouin's career year was only 3 points better than Laine's worst year when Laine played injured. Laine is 3 year's younger and has 10 less points in his career in 85 less games than Drouin. Laine scored more as an 18 year old than Drouin has ever come close to.

If Drouin isn't scoring he's worthless and he doesn't score that much. Plus Drouin is a team cancer.

5.) 26 Sep 2019 16:29:52
Didn't he have more points than Laine last season? 🤔.

6.) 26 Sep 2019 16:48:17
@ Marcus stop talking like you know anything about a players trade value lol.

7.) 26 Sep 2019 16:50:57
Nice yupp. You made yourself look like a doofus. 😄.

8.) 26 Sep 2019 17:03:39
Lol. Nahh, that's you every time you write your thoughts out then actually post them.

9.) 26 Sep 2019 17:06:10
Wait, so Drouin with more points than Laine last year is worth a 7/ 8 d man, but Laine is worth half a teams roster? Makes sense lmao. Memarcus is a clown bro xD why can’t he pull a rambo a vanish for a while?

10.) 26 Sep 2019 17:47:13
Lmao. If Laine isn't scoring he's useless and invisible you mean?

11.) 26 Sep 2019 17:52:52
I love his response to me. I didn't dismiss his evaluation of druion. He tried to flip my words on me with out a point LOL. Marcus don't you every change.

12.) 26 Sep 2019 18:03:13
I know you guys don't like comparing things on a level playing field when evaluating players. Which is why you are all so terrible at player values. But let's compare equally, even though I know you can't see past your biases.

Drouin Draft+3: 4G, 10pts, part time NHL player.

Laine Draft+3: 30G, 50pts, 110 NHL goals.

So when you evaluate with unbiased stats, it is pretty clear Drouin is garbage compared to Laine.

I await your lame brained counters.

13.) 26 Sep 2019 18:15:15
What I know about Drouin is that he has a ton of talent but at his age its disturbing that the Habs are the second team to be looking to move him. I believe that he still could be a very good player if he lands on the right team that has solid coaching and on ice leadership that can help him get the most out of his skill. I think that there will be a lot of teams that will inquire what it would take to get him out of Montreal.

14.) 26 Sep 2019 18:32:08
Memarcus dude your brutal. No one is saying Drouin is better then Laine. Not one person. The issue is you thinking he’s only worth a 7/ 8 D. And you tell everyone else they can’t evaluate players. 🤦🏻‍♀️.

15.) 26 Sep 2019 19:42:17
I was happy to see a rumor out there that we could discuss. I put the post up hoping to get some decent talks going and it goes right back to f'ing Laine within an hour.
I believe Drouin and a small add could bring in a top 4 LHD.

16.) 26 Sep 2019 20:24:25
yes but doesn't things like off ice issues. Player regression, 1 way vs two way players. or how about 1 person is currently at trainging cap and the other is not. Also one player said he wants out the other is being put on block. Tons of things go into player evaluation not just skill and previous stats. So once again you think druoin gets poo but laine gets the world. I think you need to come down on laine and come up on droiun then you have will have less sheet thrown at you for your crazy ironic evalutations.

17.) 26 Sep 2019 22:37:00
Drouin for Sergachev.

18.) 27 Sep 2019 02:43:06
Is it biased of me to use your own words against you? Riddle me this.

Zucker for drouin trade above you mention that zucker shows up every game and make it seem like drouin doesnt.

Remind you of anyone you seem to treat and value like the love child of ovechkin and selanne?

19.) 27 Sep 2019 05:02:08
Drouin for laine.

20.) 27 Sep 2019 13:17:40
Patrick Laine

Career GP = 237
G = 110
A = 74
PTS = 184

Jonathan Drouin

Career GP = 322
G = 60
A = 134
PTS = 194

So when you evaluate with unbiased stats, it is pretty clear Drouin is equal to if not better in production than Laine.

I await memarcusjoe's emotional response.



06 Feb 2019 19:14:36
Looks like Boyle is going to Nashville for a 2nd round pick.

Thunder Turkey



01 Feb 2019 18:04:46
PIT: Brassard (UFA), Sheahan (UFA), 2nd, 4th, 4th

FLA: Bjugstad, McCann

Confirmed Trade

Thunder Turkey



26 Oct 2018 20:59:24
With the start that LA is having, how long until kovalchuk runs back to the KHL?

Thunder Turkey

1.) 26 Oct 2018 22:36:39
Kovalchuk is doing very well making good plays and standing out it just seems that their line can’t catch a break. I’d say he looking better then Kopitar.

2.) 26 Oct 2018 22:53:18
Pacific is definitely wide open. I have the Sharks as the only playoff locks in the pacific.

3.) 26 Oct 2018 22:54:16
I was thinking the same thing the other night, only thing I see that makes me think he stays is that the big KHL money has apparently dried up. When Nylanders agent kinda floated the KHL option, it was shut down quickly. When kovalchuk left NJ he went there and was making over $9mill per season for the first 2 years. Then owners reigned in the crazy salaries and kovy only made $5 mill his last 2 years and was still the highest paid. So the threat of going there isn’t what it was a cpl years ago. Nylander doesn’t want $6.5 here, but to go there he’s like a $4-5 mill guy now.

4.) 27 Oct 2018 01:09:55
With people getting more and more superficial, how long until someone makes a racial profile based comment about a russian player going back to the KHL as soon as there's some adversity? Oh, wait.

5.) 27 Oct 2018 09:45:43
It’s not racial profiling lol he has done it before. We are not saying malkin will do it because kovalchuk and radulov did it. It’s saying kovalchuk could do it because he’s done it before lol.

6.) 27 Oct 2018 17:19:29
Does Kovalchuks Kings deal have a no movement clause?
If anything I could see him asking for a trade, he did come back to win a cup. I think. or maybe jus the money. hard to know with that guy.




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15 Jan 2020 18:14:20
Gallant got fired from LVK? I didn't really see that coming after what he did with those guys in their opening season!
Does he speak french? He is from PEI so maybe the Habs look at him if they are replacing Julien?

Thunder Turkey

1.) 15 Jan 2020 19:20:46
Get him back in the organization in some form or another at least.

2.) 15 Jan 2020 20:22:49
People in PEI don’t speak French lol.

3.) 17 Jan 2020 15:54:11
They speak Acadian actually vb. It’s a form of French/ English combined.



23 Sep 2019 17:59:50
What a deal for Point! 3 years at 6.75M AAV/year and 9M in the final year.

Thunder Turkey

1.) 23 Sep 2019 18:58:35
solid deal for tampa.

2.) 24 Sep 2019 02:29:08
Even after Stevie Y is gone, the team is still signing contracts that are major steals. It must be the team culture to take less money and short term for the win now approach.

3.) 24 Sep 2019 10:06:58
I remember Stevie Y crediting Brisebois for the contract work when Yzerman was still GM so I don’t think that’s going to change.

4.) 24 Sep 2019 13:06:34
That makes sense. as a Wings fan, I’m hoping Stevie Y took a page out of Brisebois’s book when it comes to signing Mantha and AA.



02 Jul 2019 18:54:33
So now that the Aho deal is reportedly being matched... should MB go try for Point but up the anti to the next bracket? Say 9M AAV to yield the 2x 1st rounds, a 2nd and a 3rd?

Thunder Turkey

1.) 02 Jul 2019 19:55:39
I would have preferred he did that with Aho . Sounds like he talked to Points agent, who is same as Ahos apparently and this is how the Aho thing started
With Aho, he's an 80+ point man already. and with not a lot of help. Point, although he hit 90+, had an all star team of talent. is he a 65 70 guy on a regular team? I'm not sure.

2.) 02 Jul 2019 20:56:14
What About an offer sheet for Laine?

3.) 02 Jul 2019 21:22:37
Ya. the thought of him and Kk would be nice. I'd go to next teir though.

4.) 02 Jul 2019 21:40:16
Everyone says they should have went next tier on aho but let’s just say he had come here and not really fit in right away and ended the season with 65 or 70 points then what? You make the offer for what your willing to pay and comfortable in paying the guy if you get him you get him if not your back to square 1 without losing anything I’d offer the same deal for Laine and put Chevy to the test.

5.) 02 Jul 2019 21:53:04
I get your point Habby, And I'm torn as to what he should have done. part of me is pretty impressed with his drive to make the team better, the other, disappointed he hand cuffed himself for 7 days. However, on the good part he dodnt over pay for some of the other UFAs.
As for Laine, . I don't think he even signs ar that amount. he's going to look at Mathews contract and want closer to that . is he worth that, no. but I'm pretty sure he's going to want 10+.

6.) 02 Jul 2019 23:32:36
I hope we don't go in on Laine. we have devoted a lot to wingers in the past and really need to focus on center. We have some prospects but if they really pick it up in the next few years i don't want to have an issue with cap that we can't sign a center because we are tied up with Laine.

7.) 02 Jul 2019 23:50:20
He didn’t handcuff himself he still has lots of cap space.

8.) 02 Jul 2019 23:56:40
And if Laine don’t sign the offer sheet then we still didn’t lose anything but I’d be against making an offer that you couldn’t afford that would handcuff us in a year or two I liked what he did yesterday we all knew there was a good chance Carolina matched but it was a deal he was comfortable giving to aho and it was an offer aho was glad to sign. Forced Carolina to dish out some serious coin and aho went away thanking the Habs for getting it done. In 5 years time he will still only be 26 maybe because of this he might be one of the rare ufas that will want to sign here.

9.) 03 Jul 2019 00:00:02
To give out a deal just to make sure the other team won’t match is the Craig button theory he said the habs should have offered aho 15 mil per year lol. Then on top of the player never living up to the contract we also have to give up 4 1st picks not a smart approach but button will never be confused with a genius lol the front loaded contract approach was the way to go.

10.) 02 Jul 2019 20:37:39
If they’re smart they’ll offer him 5 year 10.5 million per year contract. 2 1sts, 2nd and 3rd. Even if Tampa matches they’re screwed for the future with Vais coming up as an RFA.

11.) 02 Jul 2019 22:44:27
If your going to offer sheet a guy offer something that you think actually has a chance of not being matched. Offering a player an amount that is a no brainer to match is just a waste of time, as Carolina has stated.

12.) 03 Jul 2019 01:24:41
I question the logic of making a bunch of offer sheets (that are going to get matched) when Montreal is going to have a bunch of their own young budding stars vulnerable to them in a few years.

If you’re going to make one, make one and make it count.

13.) 03 Jul 2019 02:10:50
Button didn't say 15. he did say next teir. . as for handcuffing himself. well, he kinda did. . can't sign Aho at 8.5. offer Lee 7. ECT. i'm glad ye didn't go that route. but. this signing FAs. jus doesn't work .
Not going to lie. . was excited to maybe have Aho.

14.) 03 Jul 2019 03:08:46
Habby you said it yourself, “everyone” says they should have went to the next tier. What makes you and Bergevin the 2 smartest people? If Button said $15 million that is obviously ridiculous but the offer was “laughable” as far as an offer sheet goes. It wasn’t just Button, every analyst said that if you want a player, go for him. Bergevin can do no wrong. Yet on the other hand, Dubas makes some pretty solid moves and you say that you can’t believe they had to pay so much to dump Marleau, their forwards are worse, they now have a dilemma of which defenseman they can keep next year. Do you notice any of this when you post or do you think you judge fair with an open mind? I understand some leaf fans are over the top but you can be honest at least. Sosa can praise other teams and talk about what he doesn’t agree with the great Bergevin doing. Myself, I think Dubas is doing a pretty good job. I can’t believe he didn’t trade Nylander right away when he held out and now we’re here again with Marner. Other than that, he’s doing a good job working with minimal cap space. There’s still no physical players which will need to be addressed.

15.) 03 Jul 2019 04:18:41
Or do what you want and just make sure you have your own rfas that you want to keep locked up before anyone can offer sheet them.

16.) 03 Jul 2019 04:22:56
Calgary has 9.5M to sign Tkachuk and Bennet. 8.4 probably will be a slight over pay on Tkachuk and who knows what they’d do. Might force them to trade Bennet.

17.) 03 Jul 2019 05:16:02
@leafs17 it seems like you only read the negative things I say about the leafs I do say some good things it pains me some times but I still say them. Now I’m not going to get on here and plan the parade with you guys year after year or anything like that. The offer sheet was worth a try and I liked It yes the cap hit was low and I assumed they would match it but the signing bonus which forces Carolina to pay 21 million over the next 12 months is something they really didn’t want to do considering it’s probably there whole gate profit for the year on top of that if there is a strike next year they still have to pay it and then they don’t have any income while the strike is on. It was a slim chance at getting a good player at the price you wanted without giving up much. And it didn’t work out . Not yet anyway but at the end of the day he took a strategic shot and he never got the player but guess what he didn’t lose anything either it’s not like he just gave up a first round pick for nothing or anything like that lol.

18.) 03 Jul 2019 05:30:14
And Sosa he still has cap space to make a signing so he didn’t handcuff himself I d say he can still play with around 10 million if he wants to only Panarin and bobrovski got that kind of money I suggest you scroll through the videos on tsn from what button said today not what he said on the free agent frenzy show.

19.) 03 Jul 2019 07:48:51
Ok, but Habby. all I'm saying is if he locked in 8.5 for Aho. what else did he have? I did watch a god portion of the TSN thingy, and seen Button . however must have missed his 15M comment . he can be a little dramatic at times. as much as I like Aho. he never was that. Only MCDavid is worth that.

20.) 03 Jul 2019 07:51:22
I think it's not unlikely that MTL approached Point before they approached Aho, but that Point had no interest in signing with MTL and then they went for Aho instead.

And if they should offer 9M, TB matches anyways, just like CAR does, so what's the point?
Teams are using offer sheets wrong. It's not intended to go after big stars. It should be used to go for young mid-tier guys like a Labanc or Meier for example. SJ got Meier cheap for 4x6, what if someone offered him 5x7.5, would they have been able to match?
Or even more useful: team should have offer sheeted Kapanen and/ or Johnsson. Leafs got them cheap, why didn't teams offer them 3x4.2M? Makes it very hard for the Leafs to match and the cost is nothing but a 2nd rd pick.

21.) 03 Jul 2019 09:56:50
“Or just make sure you have your RFA’s locked up before anyone can offer sheet them”

Sounds good, but doesn’t work. The player has to sign what you are offering to be locked up. If they don’t like it, they can just drag their feet until July 1st and see if anyone offers something they like more. That’s exactly why so many teams are where they are with their RFA’s today.

I mean Bergy’s a pretty muscular guy, maybe he can challenge them to an arm wrestling match or something. Winner take all.

22.) 03 Jul 2019 09:56:50
“Or just make sure you have your RFA’s locked up before anyone can offer sheet them”

Sounds good, but doesn’t work. The player has to sign what you are offering to be locked up. If they don’t like it, they can just drag their feet until July 1st and see if anyone offers something they like more. That’s exactly why so many teams are where they are with their RFA’s today.

I mean Bergy’s a pretty muscular guy, maybe he can challenge them to an arm wrestling match or something. Winner take all.

23.) 03 Jul 2019 14:59:05
You’re right habby. It was a strategic way to accomplish nothing. No they did not give up a 1st, lol. Is that another subtle jab? You think your team and your GM are just fricken wonderful and they can do no wrong. I just wanted to say my piece, I’m not going to go back and forth with you on this. I’ve seen how you can argue for 3 days straight, even when nobody responds to you.

24.) 03 Jul 2019 17:27:27
I have actually argued with you leaf fans for months straight lol.

25.) 03 Jul 2019 18:30:11
carolina said there gunna match it. but does that mean they have to now or they call still hold off for 7 days and change there mind.

26.) 03 Jul 2019 18:38:07
So your Gm is the best? Gave up a first to unload a contract with one year left . And traded zaitsev for the worst defenseman in the world in leafs fans eyes 2 weeks ago and had to add Connor brown the guy who could do no wrong 2 weeks ago. Like do you see the hypocrisy here in accusing me of thinking my Gm can do no wrong?

27.) 03 Jul 2019 19:12:37
@woahman they can wait the full 7 days to officially announce it.

28.) 03 Jul 2019 20:28:47
Keep talking to yourself chief. I’m sure nobody at your house will.

29.) 03 Jul 2019 22:27:15
@leafs17 that's pretty funny saying nobody won't talk to me but for some reason you just can't help it lol.

30.) 04 Jul 2019 12:18:43
Not to mention RFAs are low priority because you have more control over them, especially ones without arbitration rights. GMs only have so much time and a lot of the window between end of season and free agency is figuring out what to do with their UFAs and what UFAs to target. RFAs know they don’t have a lot of leverage so will intentionally drag the process into even September, there’s a reason none of the major RFAs have signed yet and it isn’t that their teams don’t want them on a fair deal.

31.) 04 Jul 2019 12:25:07
The_Triplets do the Bolts match if Point is offer sheeted at 10.5 million?

32.) 04 Jul 2019 12:21:00
Disagree Habby. Dubas did what he had to two of Lou Lam’s mistakes, and trading that first allowed Toronto to keep all of their young stars, which nobody (myself included) believed he would be able to do. He escaped cap hell and somehow managed to make the roster better while doing so.

If you had told me a month ago that the Leafs would clear out Marleau and Zaitsev, keep Johnson, Kapanen, Marner and Nylander, improve the defence without crippling their center depth, and it would only cost a 1st and Brown, I would have absolutely called BS. IMO he has had the most impressive offseason of any GM, and frankly it’s not even close.

33.) 04 Jul 2019 17:24:00
Well it's left to be seen yet if marner stays and if he does the cap hell starts all over again next year. I think dubas has done a decent job I would not have give up a 1st just to get rid of marleau though the zaitsev deal I'm ok with I was just pointing out things like how Ceci was considered horrible and among the worst in the league by most of the leaf fan base before he was traded to Toronto. Now magically he is somehow good and in some fans opinion is now a top pair dman. Some of my comments over the last few days were not directed at all leaf fans lol.

34.) 04 Jul 2019 17:31:52
Jbs that's all true without the fear of offer sheets but if a team actually thinks one of its players are likely going to get an offer sheet then it might be a good idea to focus on getting them signed asap if we start seeing more offer sheets we will start seeing more rfas locked up before they get a chance to sign one. It's pretty simple actually.

35.) 04 Jul 2019 21:36:00
Yeah i think Ceci is hot garbage but they needed somebody back there. One year of ceci vs. 5 of Zaitsev is still a huge plus.

36.) 04 Jul 2019 21:46:01
I still don’t think so Habby. Either they get the player on a contract they’re ok with (likely not much more than they would have negotiated themselves) or they get compensation they deem appropriate for them. The Aho offer sheet did nothing to change how teams do business some are saying that Carolina actually got off better than they might have if Montreal didn’t offer sheet and they know what they’re locked in at potentially months earlier. And VB I think TB would match point at 10.5 without too much trouble.

37.) 04 Jul 2019 21:50:54
Like a GM can only do so many things at one time, he’s one person. So things with hard time limits like the draft and UFAs are going to come in at a higher priority than the guys that they opportunity to either match or get assets back for if someone else tries to sign them. And the assets required to sign these guys combined with the money tends to put teams off. For what it’s worth I think teams are doing it wrong, don’t go for the studs with offer sheets go for the mid tier guys.

38.) 05 Jul 2019 17:12:17
I'm not disagreeing with what your saying jbs cause that is exactly how things work now. What I'm saying is if the offer sheet thing becomes more common GMs can focus more on getting their own Rfas locked up before they can be pursued by doing such things as talking contract throughout the season if need be and if it doesn't look like a deal can be made they have the option of waiting to see if there is an offer sheet which can help or hurt them. Or they can work out a trade beforehand this might lead to more interesting trade deadlines and more interesting July 1st.

39.) 06 Jul 2019 09:40:30
@VB: #1 First, Point would have to sign such an offer sheet, which seems unrealistic, since he already turned down an offer sheet from MTL.
#2 Should it still happen, of course they'd match. Why wouldn't they?



28 Jun 2019 19:11:32
Apparently Lehner is almost guaranteed not to sign for NYI. Where do you think he would be a good fit?
I'm guessing Edmonton might try to make a move for him.
Anywhere else that would put forth a better offer?

Thunder Turkey

1.) 28 Jun 2019 20:59:52

2.) 28 Jun 2019 21:16:55
Edmonton won’t make a move for him. I can say that with like 95% certainty. He’s going to ask for around 6 million. That means oilers will have 10 million locked up for goalies. Oilers have too many issues on the wing to just lose 6 million like that. Expect them to sign somebody like Mike Smith or Mrazek.

3.) 28 Jun 2019 21:26:28
I thought they should have traded for Mrazek back when he got traded for like a 3rd to Philly. But now if I had to guess he’ll cost too much as well. The goalie market is “weak” but the Oil still could have gotten better than Koskinen and potentially cheaper. Thanks Pete. Not sure why I haven’t heard any rumours about LA’s goalies either.

4.) 28 Jun 2019 21:29:19
Calgary, Edmonton, Colorado, Columbus, or Carolina.

5.) 29 Jun 2019 22:48:02
I hope Edm signs Mrazek for like $2.5M. They can’t afford what Lehner will be asking. Lehner would be a great fit in Calgary tho.



25 Jun 2019 17:12:35
W. Karlsson signed 8 years for less that $6M a season. That sounds like a great deal to me. Did that just help reset the market?

Thunder Turkey

1.) 25 Jun 2019 17:22:13
I think that’s fair value for him, but a lot of the other RFAs will still demand more because they are much younger than Karlsson and he really came back down to earth this year in a high scoring season. I expect a lot of the other big name restricted free agents to demand more unless they take a bridge deal.

2.) 25 Jun 2019 19:29:55
Or maybe it had something to do with no state tax in Vegas ya think?

3.) 25 Jun 2019 19:53:14
State tax implication an important consideration for sure as Habby pointed out

Apparently he also really likes it there so maybe he was a little more focused on staying there vs. maximizing his salary.

4.) 25 Jun 2019 23:40:31
I believe Forbes said the difference between what Mark Stone makes on 9.5 mill in Vegas compared to California ends up being about 71k a year so I really don’t think there’s much of an impact. The difference between 5.9 and 6 mill.

5.) 26 Jun 2019 02:21:30
Try doing it for the difference between Vegas and Montreal Toronto or New York?

6.) 26 Jun 2019 06:08:18
y'all are aware that this tax argument is huge bs? It barely makes a difference.
Have you thought about the CAD/ USD factor, tho? THIS is a huge advantage to Canadian teams. They pay their players in USD, those same players live in CAN, tho. So 8.5M USC gives them 11.2M CAD buying power. How about that for an ACTUAL advantage.

7.) 26 Jun 2019 11:10:19
Canadian income tax is a killer it more then evens out.

8.) 26 Jun 2019 12:39:54
Pardon me Triplets and JBS but you are both clearly ill-informed on this issue.

Here's a snippet copy and pasted from Capfriendly: "Tavares makes $11 million in Toronto and his net salary is $5.145 million, while Kucherov’s $9.5 million salary in Tampa Bay nets him $5.781 million. Kucherov still has a higher net salary playing in Tampa Bay, even though Tavares gets paid $1.5 million more in Toronto. "

I would not say that "barely makes a difference"

Now as you pointed out players are played in USD, but that impact is largely offset by the higher prices paid for goods in Canadian dollars vs. USD (buying a Big Mac in Toronto has a higher nominal price tag than buying one in Florida) .

Also, a lot of the cities in high-tax areas (Toronto, New York, Vancouver, etc. ) are way more expensive to live in (buying/ renting homes) . So there's obviously a lot of moving parts, but you can see why living in Nevada (low tax, relatively inexpensive real estate, etc. ) would be appealing. They will never be able to make it perfectly even, but the NHL needs to find a way to shorten the gap in "true cap" between various regions because right now teams in states with low/ no income taxes have a material advantage over others, clearly contradicting the spirit of the salary cap which was designed to create parity and level the playing field.

9.) 26 Jun 2019 15:15:30
Unsportsmanlike capfriendly simply takes contract by home tax rate. Forbes takes into what they are actually paying in taxes. Capfriendly ignores the 50% of games played on the road and the other loopholes players used. California is the highest taxed US state, Nevada has 0 state taxes. Difference on Stones 9.5 mill is 71k. It’s one of the biggest misconceptions in the sport made as an excuse as to why other teams can’t keep their players, it’s not like any of these teams has ever been grabbing superstars left and right on the open market. The impact is extremely overstated. And like VB said, Canada is taxed higher but being paid in USD and having expenses in CAD usually puts them ahead even if their entire salary was taxed in their home city. The Athletic also had an article about how the issue is really nonexistent.

10.) 26 Jun 2019 15:16:40
Also since you used Tavares let’s go with him. All but like 650k a year is a paid in a bonus. If he had a Florida residency that entire bonus is taxed in Florida. He can then take one and RCA on the other 650k. He puts half his income into there and if he retires to Florida he can take it out at Florida tax rate. Tavares would then only be taxed outside of a no tax state for half (minus games played in those states) if his low annual salary, about 325k of his 11 mill annual salary. Like I said there are ways around the tax, unlike other imbalances people are ok with. You don’t see players in any sport rushing to Florida nor do non-state tax teams have a lot of success as a whole in any sport.

11.) 26 Jun 2019 15:56:32
Also with the taxes, you pay taxes to where you are playing. So when you are on the road, you pay taxes to whoever you are visiting. It helps even it out, but in places like California where they play half of their games at home and a significant amount of road games within the same state it makes a bigger difference.




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