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06 Mar 2024 04:57:01
To New Jersey: Jacob markstrom no retention
To Calgary : Alex holtz, Seamus Casey, 1rd pick 2024 and Nico daws or Akira Schmid
A little insurance in net for the future .
06 Mar 2024 20:38:03
Replace Casey with Clarke and I like it.
01 Mar 2024 00:57:36
NJD - Vanacek, Holtz, 2025 2nd, 2024 3rd
BOS - Ulmark.
01 Mar 2024 12:43:57
the rumoured package for Markstrom was Holtz + 1st + another asset (not named Vanecek) with some retention on Markstrom but the deal fell through cause the Flames wanted another asset on top of it for the retention. so I think the Bruins say no on this one.
01 Mar 2024 15:26:31
I don’t believe the Flames would turn down a 1st, Holtz + for Markstrom. Bruins are also in more of a position to trade Ulmark. They have to pay Swayman this offseason and Ulmark only has this and next on his contract.
01 Mar 2024 17:36:34
They turned it down because it’s a weak draft, that’s why they turned down 1st + Ceci from EDM for Tanev and 1st from DAL for Tanev.
01 Mar 2024 20:27:56
The Flames are selling everyone for picks. Are they going to be better next year? Should have traded Markstrom when his value is high considering the market and his play at this time. The rumour is they turned down the better pick from Edmonton because they didn’t want to take salary back right? Questionable move IMO.
02 Mar 2024 20:00:11
I think Markstrom is better than Ullmark. Ullmark and Swayman stats are clearly inflated due to the bruins being so good.
03 Mar 2024 17:38:46
Don’t think he’d still be a good target for the Devils? Bruins can do a quick retool and Ulmark is the most moveable.
27 Feb 2024 16:03:37
Montreal trade with nj devils
Mtl:Allen
To
Devils: holtz
Montréal trade with la
Mtl:Savard
To
La:Turcotte and 2nd round
Mtl trade with Florida
Mtl :Dvorak and 2nd round
To
Fla: knight
Mtl trade with Anaheim
Mtl: Harris, Barron ,Winnipeg 1st , mtl 2nd round
To
Ducks: zegras
27 Feb 2024 18:11:25
- NJ trade is fair.
- LA trade is close, but I think Savard will bring a 1st + at the deadline.
- The FLA trade doesn't seem like a fit where Dvorak is done for the season. Perhaps it gets revisited as an off-season deal, but personally, as talented as Knight is, his addiction issues are a big red flag for me.
- The ANA trade is fair, but personally I don't like one-dimensional players like Zegras. He's like a Johnny Gaudreau in too many ways, and just doesn't seem like the kind of guy you go to battle with.
27 Feb 2024 18:27:27
Allen not an improvement for devils. LA has log jam on defence already, not sure they want Savard. Why knight? Seems to much for Zegras. So I’m guessing no on all. ?.
27 Feb 2024 23:04:52
Allen is a 33 year old backup goalie
28 Feb 2024 01:15:23
Log jam on d in la , who? Besides doughty? Savard is an upgrade
Devils: all 3 of their goalies are below 900 save% and are over 3.2 goals per game , Allen has similar number albeit on a bottom 5 nhl team , so imo Allen is an upgrade
Knight might be worth the gamble
And mtl ain’t getting Zegras for much less if not more
28 Feb 2024 04:05:11
Spence and Clarke are 2 good young RHD but their LHD deepth is another thing.
28 Feb 2024 17:15:17
Good points on Allen sidekick. I see him as a 1B that could come to a team without spooking a starter. (Goalies always have a more delicate psyche. to say the least. ) Allen is a good, short-term solution for someone. He's playing on a lousy team and his numbers reflect that.
21 Feb 2024 23:23:30
CGY-VGK
To Calgary:
2024 1st, Nic Hague, Paul Cotter, Matyas Sapovaliv
To Vegas:
Noah Hanifin (who signs an extension)
CGY-NJ
To Calgary:
Alex Holtz, Kevin Bahl, 2024 1st, Lenni Hameenaho
To New Jersey:
Jacob Markstrom 2m retained (4m x 3 years)
CGY-TOR
Option 1 = Tanev for TOR 2024 1st -straight up swap
Option 2 = Chris Tanev and Andrew Mangiapane (50% retained this year and next = 2.8 mill) for 2024 1st, Nick Robertson, Topi Niemala
Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Kuzmenko
Zary-Kadri-Holtz
Robertson/Pospisil-Backlund-Coleman
Roberston/Pospisil-Cotter-Pelletier
Weegar-Andersson
Hague-Bahl
Kylington-Pachal
Wolf
Vladar
This should secure a top 8 ish pick.
Maybe even focus on moving kuzmenko this summer or next deadline. Maybe even coleman and Backlund.
We need to be bad next year too for that mtl 1st round trade thing
22 Feb 2024 15:30:43
Nobody wants to comment. Lol. Interesting thought of Vegas. Not sure about return but I’ll guess we shall find out within 2 weeks.
24 Feb 2024 04:31:14
Vegas has zero in cap space, hague at 2,294,150 and cotter at 775k isn't enough to accommodate hanifin's current 4.9
New jersey has 653,703 in space, Holtz at 894,167 and bahl at 1,050,000 isn't enough to accommodate a retained markstrom at 4 mills.
20 Feb 2024 13:26:15
NSH - Juuse Saros and Yakov Trenin
CAR - Martin Necas, Pyotr Kochetkov and 2024 1st
“The Juuse Saros trade situation could be more serious than believed and he could actually be moved.”
(via Michael Gallagher)
“The Hurricanes, Kings and Devils have been linked to Juuse Saros ahead of the deadline.”
(via Michael Gallagher)
“Martin Necas may be a player that the Nashville Predators are interested in.”
(via Elliotte Friedman)
21 Feb 2024 13:15:55
I like the idea but I think it’s to much from Carolina think you could drop the 1st. Goalies aren’t worth much in trade.
21 Feb 2024 14:33:10
I could see something like this happening. Saros will draw a healthy return if Trotz pulls the trigger on a trade, and CAR is reportedly in the mix for him.
13 Feb 2024 06:28:42
Calgary receives : Alex holtz, Seamus Casey, a 1st rd 2024 and a 1 st rd pick in 2025
New Jersey receives : Jacob markstrom.
13 Feb 2024 14:05:47
goalies never go for that much at the deadline no matter how good they are, get ride of the 2025 first and this is a believable deal.
13 Feb 2024 20:18:42
Holy that’s way to much.
20 Jan 2024 20:19:45
NJD - McLeod, Foote
EDM - Kulak, Lavoie, 2024 2nd.
22 Jan 2024 05:16:56
I’m not sure if Jersey views McLeod as expandable but in this trade they recoup a 2nd round pick, get a young winger that has potential to be a middle 6 scorer and a vet D for there young D core.
24 Jan 2024 17:24:17
Nevermind ?.
08 Jan 2024 17:22:22
To CGY:
-2024 1st,Mavrik Borque,Christian Kyrou cap dump (faksa or lindell)
To DAL:
-Noah Hanifin, Dillon Dube
To CGY:
- 2024 1st, Bowen Byram
To COL:
- Elias Lindholm, Dennis Gilbert
To Cgy:
-2024 1st, Topi Niemela
To TOR: Chris Tanev (50 retained), Adam Ruzicka
To Cgy:
-2024 1st, Micheal McLeod, Lenni Hammenaho
To NJ:
-Jacob Markstrom (50 %retained - that's this year plus 2 more @ 3m cap hit)
To CGY:
-Brayden Yager
To PIT:
-Andrew Mangiapane (50% retained- this year and next)
Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
Huberdeau-Mcleod-Sharangovich
Pelletier-Backlund-Coleman
Greer-Faksa?-Duehr
Weegar-Andersson
Byram-Desimone
Solovyov-Niemela
Wolf
Vladar
Let Bourque and Coronato rip up the AHL this year and bring em up at the end of the year. Kyrou and Hameenaho and Yager really fill up that cupboard too
08 Jan 2024 20:16:27
No from Flames
Fair
No from Leafs
Fair
Idk
12 Dec 2023 20:57:52
Ott : Chabot, Taresenko, Jarventie, Forsberg/ Korpisalo, and a 2nd in 2024
Det : Seider, 3rd in 2026
Then
Ott : Batherson, Kubalik, Sokolov, and a 1st in 2024
Njd : L. Hughes, and a 2nd in 2026
Sanderson Seider
Chychrun Hughes
Branstrom Zub
Klevin.
12 Dec 2023 22:11:13
I don’t like these trades from any side.
12 Dec 2023 23:52:39
I don’t see this as any more likely than the McDavid/ Draisaitl trade you posted.
13 Dec 2023 01:10:21
Here’s some fair trades-
Brady Tkachuk and 1st for Sieder (RHD>Wingers)
Stutzle for Luke Hughes
Nobody wants your garbage for their stars.
13 Dec 2023 01:46:05
VbbVbb how are those anywhere close to fair for Ottawa? Feel your head.
That's like saying Edmonton trading McDavid and a 1st for Chabot and Draisaitl for Zub are fair. Get real dude. And these are both severe but necessary overpayments on Ottawas end.
Detroits gets a Lefty on the same tier as Seider but a few years older plus a starting Goalie, a Top 6 Forward, a pick, and a solid prospect who's tearing things up in ahl right now.
While New Jersey gets arguably the BEST current contract in hockey on a Top 6 Forward, a decent 25 goal scoring middle 6 guy, a decent prospect who ain't afraid to throw his body around and an unprotected 1st.
Not sure how these can be considered bad trades for Detroit or New Jersey? That just don't make any sense.
Seider is good but he ain't head and shoulders above someone like Chabot if he's even above him at all.
And Hughes is still in the proving stages of his career, NOT by any means on a top tier level yet.
13 Dec 2023 12:06:40
Stevie Y and his scouts stole Seider in plain sight of all the other teams, and it has really worked out well. I don’t expect he’ll be trading him any time soon for these trades or any others, in my humble opinion.
13 Dec 2023 14:13:43
You can make an argument that due to his physical play, superb defensive positioning and combination of offence that his top end physicality separates him for Makar, Dahlin, Hedman, Fox etc. you can argue that he’s the best defender in hockey. He’s the closest thing to a modern day Scott Stevens not I don’t think he’s the best but there is a argument there. I’d personally put him in line with Quinn Hughes and Charlie McAvoy with Sieder being far better player in his own end then Hughes.
Chabot isn’t even in discussions being a top 32 dman. He’s the 3rd dman on a non playoff senators behind Chychrun and Sanderson on top of that he’s injury prone. Value wise imo he’s in line with a player like Arron Eklblad.
Luke Hughes is the most promising young dman in the game and his impact is far greater then what his brother brought at this age. He is the much better defender then Quinn in his own end and in 2/ 3 years he will be the better player then Stutzle.
It’s hard to argue with someone who believes they’re right when the world dissagrees. There’s a reason why your “great sens” will miss the playoffs and it’s because your players aren’t as good as you think.
Also teams don’t just go move their star players on the whim. Detroit and New Jersey look like 2 very promising teams and won’t break up there roster.
13 Dec 2023 23:14:33
Wow, not sure what's most absurd? The fact that you massively undercut what guys like Chabot and Chychrun have already done and what Sanderson is doing right now, or the fact you are putting guys like Seider and Hughes on such a pedistool they will never live up to?
Seriously take a good long read of what you have there. And you say I'm living in a delusion outside the rest of the world? Lmfao. There's a reason I haven't bothered making proposals for Makar. Unlike Seider and L. Hughes, he actually is head and shoulders above the rest. Saying Seider is better than him just proves my point, that you litteraly know absolutely nothing about hockey. That is laughable at best.
And Chabot NOT being Top 32? Lmfao on what planet? Lol not only is Chabot Top 32 so is Chychrun and Sanderson. Love to here the 32 you have above them? Lol might find 15, possibly even 20 better, not likely but possible, but not a chance in hell there's 32 above any of those 3 guys lol feel your head. I'll start your list for you to make it easier to find more and you still won't.
Makar
Fox
Heiskanen
Hedman
Josh
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Dahlin
MacAvoy
Hamilton
There's 10 to give you a head start Lol please name another 22 so the rest of the world can laugh at your failed efforts Lol
And no chance whatsoever that L. Hughes will be half as good as Stutzle will be. Bank on that!
14 Dec 2023 14:23:07
As I said i personally don’t believe he is better then Makar but one could argue his 2 way play and physicality place him above Makar in terms of all around impact. Chabot is mediocre in his own end and hasn’t produced to his expectations offensively as I said he’s on par with Arron Eklblad and maybe a brandon Montour or Jacob Trouba.
29 Nov 2023 17:55:59
Nashville- Jusso Saros
New Jersey- Vitek Vanecek and Nemec
Nashville- passes the tourch onto Askarov and gets a potential number 1 dman to build around in Nemec.
New Jersey- there goaltending has been awful and with Saros in net they get a top 5 goalie in the league who's still young.
01 Dec 2023 01:10:40
You'd have to add a first + for saros.
01 Dec 2023 01:24:13
Goalies don’t typically hold that kind of value. The most a goalie has ever been traded for was the 9th overall pick in the 2012? NHL draft and he was the 23 year old goalie who surpassed Roberto Loulongo coming off of a Olympic gold medal win as the starter.
Goalies=NFL Kicker of NHL
Nemec a 2nd overall pick last year is enough for Saros imo.
22 Nov 2023 21:28:59
Van deals Tyler Myers (25% retained), Jett Woo, Guillame Brisebois
NJ Devils deal Kevin Bahl, Alex Holtz
13 Nov 2023 21:12:43
Flames retool underway:
To SJ: Dillon Dube (rfa)
To Cgy: Anthony Duclair (ufa), conditional 3rd 2025 (if duclair signs with cgy, sj keeps the pick. If duclair walks as a FA, cgy gets the pick. Offsets the team control aspect.
..........
To Tor: nikita Zadorov + 2024 4th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + minten/abruzzes + klingberg (cap dump)
Or
To NJ: nikita Zadorov + 2024 4th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + Arseni Gritsyuk + Brendan Smith (cap dump)
..........
To Van: Chris tanev
To cgy: 2024 1st + hunter brzustewicz + anthony beauvillier (cap dump)
Or
To Tor: Chris Tanev
To cgy: 2024 1st + topi niemela + klingberg (cap dump)
............
To CBJ: Elias Lindholm
To Cgy: Kent Johnson + Andrew Peeke
..........
To Nash: Noah Hanifin
To Cgy: Dante Fabbro + 2024 1st (top 5 protected) + Philip Tomosino
Or
To Nj: noah hanifin + 2024 6th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + Seamus Casey + Arseni Gritsyuk + Brendan Smith (Cap dump)
............
Post deadline flames:
Huberdeau-Johnson-duclair
Zary-kadri-mangiapane
Pelletier/tomasino-backlund-coleman
Pospisil-ruzicka/beauvillier-duehr
Weegar-anderson
Smith/klingberg-Peeke
Smith/lingberg-Fabbro/Klingberg
Futures not on roster Added
3 firsts (teams dealt with may vary), potential 3rd based on the duclair deal, brzustewicz/niemela, Gritsyuk/tomasino, gritsyuk/minten or abruzzese
Move mangiapane the following year for a 1st a d prospect. If anyone throws an asset to take Coleman or Kadri you take it. Assumed hubby is unmoveable.
Yes I'm biased. Thanks for letting me know
15 Nov 2023 23:08:18
Dube stinks. I’d much rather Duclair.
Zadorov fetches a 3rd max
Tanev fetches a 2nd max
Hanifin fetches a 1st max
Lindholm to CBJ doesn’t make much sense and Idk if I would give up Johnson for him.
16 Nov 2023 01:02:12
Hockey dad need to do some research into recent trades. Ben Charot got a first prospect and a third. Tanev and Zadorov close, Hanifin more.
16 Nov 2023 03:28:07
@Hockey_Dads yeah nah, you’re way off
16 Nov 2023 04:17:32
Charot was coming off a Stanley cup final where he was the habs #2 dman ( ice time ) . Edmonston got a 3rd and Zadarov/ him are comparable. Tanev gets a 1st and so does Hanfin. But it won’t be much more then a 1st for either.
20 Nov 2023 05:02:05
Guess we’ll see. Feel free to @ me when they happen.
22 Nov 2023 20:58:04
Absolutely moronic. There is NO CHANCE Van gives up all of that for Tanev. Nobody would. Keep dreaming.
09 Nov 2023 20:37:11
Without getting into any serious logistics,
Would there be some sort of possible trade between jersey and Nashville? …
NJD get
Josi 50% retained
Saros
NSH get
2024 1st
2024 3rd
2025 1st
2026 1st (conditional) - if jersey wins the cup in 2024 or 2025 the pick stays a first - if they lose it becomes a second
Vanecek
Nemec
Basically you get josi who I think will actually play well into his 38 age and would really put them over the top plus he’s Swiss and half the guys on jersey are Swiss for 2 1sts and a great d prospect
Get a great goalie whose still young.
10 Nov 2023 04:06:38
Completely unrealistic
10 Nov 2023 16:15:01
I like the idea of Nashville rebuilding.
19 Jul 2023 17:05:13
Seen a lot of NJ fans complain about the Devils not addressing their defense and how it actually got weaker so I thought of a trade idea.
To New Jersey Devils :
D - Noah Hanifin ( 4.95 @ 1 UFA )
To Calgary Flames :
C/RW - Dawson Mercer ( 8.94 @ 1 RFA )
Jesper Bratt - Jack Hughes - Timo Meier
Ondrej Palat - Nico Hischier - Tyler Toffoli
Nolan Foote - Erik Haula - Alexander Holtz
Nathan Bastian - Michael McLeod - Curtis Lazar
Noah Hanifin - Dougie Hamilton
John Marino - Luke Hughes
Jonas Siegenthaler - Colin Miller
Jonathan Huberdeau - Elias Lindholm - Matt Coronato
Jakob Pelletier - Nazem Kadri - Dawson Mercer
Andrew Mangiapane - Mikael Backlund - Yegor Sharangovich
Dillon Dube - Blake Coleman - Walker Duehr
Mackenzie Weegar - Rasmus Andersson
Oliver Kylington - Chris Tanev
Nikita Zadorov - Jordan Oesterle
20 Jul 2023 05:32:50
That’s a joke. Hanfin is not worth Mercer and I’m not even sure he gets a late 1st.
20 Jul 2023 11:02:44
Hanifin likely won't get dealt to the deadline. Calgary likely hoping he can have a good season for them on the backend. If some underachieving players can produce/ play how they can they could be playoff bound. If not they can cut ties with Hanifin at the deadline with 50% retained ($2,450,000) and get a really good return on him. Same goes for Lindholm who would with 50% is only at $2,425,000 which is ideal for playoff teams. Add a third team in and that cap hit could get even lower.
20 Jul 2023 14:37:16
@Vbb huh? Lmfao you’re joking right?
20 Jul 2023 17:01:59
I’m not Hanfin is a dime in a dozen player he does probably get a 1st he’s better then David Savard when he was moved but he’s worse then Gavrikov. Mercer has more value then literally anything in the flames organization
Mercer for Andersson would be the closest deal to being fair but Calgary’s adds. Mercer is 21 years old and already looks like a star in the making.
20 Jul 2023 18:24:01
I respectfully disagree
Hanifin, 26yr
Last Season - 7G 31A | 38Pts in 81GP
Career High - 10G 38A | 48Pts in 81GP
Proj. WAR% 92%
EV Offense 91% | EV Defense 63% | 66% PP | 75% PK | 53% Finishing | 80% G/60 | 62% A1/60 | 69% Penalties | 88% Competition | 79% Teammates
Gavrikov, 27yr
Last Season - 6G 13A | 19Pts in 72GP
Career High - 5G 28A | 33Pts in 80GP
Proj. WAR% 79%
EV Offense 77% | EV Defense 76% | N/A PP | 91% PK | 38% Finishing | 41% G/60 | 60% A1/60 | 18% Penalties | 90% Competition | 78% Teammates
Also I don't think Flames add to a Mercer trade if Andersson is involved, but I'm a Flames fan obviously so my opinion might be slightly biased to others I guess. I think Andersson is one of their most valuable pieces, he's a 26yr old RHD on a steal of a contract (4.55 @ 3 Years Remaining) with a career high of 50Pts, coming off of a 49pts season. He's solid defensively and almost has just as many pts as Mercer as a defensemen (Mercer had 56Pts on a really strong NJ team)
20 Jul 2023 19:55:16
Vbbb I find your insight laughable. I don’t think you watch any western conference teams games. Hanafin is 26 and hasn’t even hit his peak years as a defenceman.
21 Jul 2023 03:38:00
It's fun looking at these flames trades. the team is a complete dumpster fire with players not wanting to play there.
Hanifin is not in the realm of a Mercer trade. Hanifin is going to be a UFA. Mercer an RFA.
I hope this trade proposal was only baiting people to respond.
21 Jul 2023 14:33:02
1. I wouldn't trade Mercer, period.
2. Hanifin doesn't get you Mercer. (Not even close in value. )
3. The Bee nailed it.
22 Jul 2023 23:33:28
In a vacuum maybe Hanfin is better then Gravikov but Gravikov has a rarer skill set. If anything they have equal value. A Hanfin trade would look like a Gravikov trade.
23 Jul 2023 06:40:34
I put hanifan 50% retained for Mercer a week ago and the exact same believable and unbelievable. So at 50% retained and straight across are the same. The site is bananas. Haha.
18 Jul 2023 15:45:54
Devils Trade
Mercer
Vanacek
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2025
Jets Trade
Hellebuyck
Thoughts ?
18 Jul 2023 16:22:22
I think WPG would do that in a heartbeat, though I doubt NJ would.
PINBALL: you're much more generous with your trade proposals when your not selecting assets from your beloved leafs.
18 Jul 2023 16:40:16
The Jets certainly take that, but there is almost no chance Mercer would be available.
18 Jul 2023 17:05:14
If Mercer is off the table how about swapping Mercer for Holtz?
Revised Proposal.
Devils Trade
Vanacek
Holtz (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2025
Jets Trade
Hellebuyck
Thoughts?
18 Jul 2023 19:41:21
I believe that the Jets would prefer 1 good player over a bunch of pieces and picks.
It will be hard for the Jets to get fair value for Helly unless 2 teams from the same conference are out to try and get him and start a bidding war.
However I think that the Jets will have to settle for a trade proposal like this one.
18 Jul 2023 21:06:37
I would imagine the Holtz deal works as well Pinball.
19 Jul 2023 15:18:28
I think you could get the 1st or Holtz but not both.
23 Jul 2023 06:42:32
Well word on the street is they're trying to sign hellybuck long term because there's not enough out there but he's probable at the least starting the year in Winnipeg.
12 Jul 2023 13:07:56
Calgary: Hanifan(50%) New jersey: Mercer.....hanifan wants usa and calgary still saves cap . Possibly too many fish in the sea for NJ at forward. So could use position of strength for need for both, too be honest dont know much about Mercer.
12 Jul 2023 17:48:58
New Jersey laughs historically to the point that the GM probably gets in his car drives over the Brooklyn bridge and walks into Madison Square garden and tells the GM of the rangers the same thing and he gets in his car then drives to the islanders rink then etc.
No yeah Mercer isn’t getting moved for a UFA no chance.
13 Jul 2023 00:59:40
Vbb, ok, say bye now because nj is not gonna be able to afford him with Toronto like contracts so just wait for debrincat and nylander turmoil next year. Top six players make like 50 some mil, Hughes is gonna be paid huge in 2, its simple cap management. You hate hanifan but can't say hanifin at 2.5 is huge over anything nj has. And hanifan will sign for probably 6 if in the right state.
13 Jul 2023 10:29:36
Be ause New Jersey is going to have cap issues doesn't mean selling low on Mercer Shoots. Teams would give better offers.
13 Jul 2023 14:09:30
Hysterically* and Mercer is literally better then Hanfin right now and on his ELC ( 900k ) so I don’t get how adding more cap will help New Jerseys cap problem. Jack Hughes and Hischer have 2 of the best contracts in the NHL cap wise they are doing decent if anyone were to move it’d be Dougie Hamilton.
13 Jul 2023 16:37:06
You guys need to stop comparing players who play different positions. Makes zero sense. Apples and oranges.
As for the trade, it just seems unnecessary for NJ right now. Mercer is young and has a controllable contract as an RFA. Hanafin will likely get dealt, but it's likely near the deadline or at the deadline. Flames will retain 50% and assuming he's healthy and having a decent year he could fetch them a 1st and a prospect considering at 50% his cap hit is just shy of 3mill which is music to playoffs teams' ears.
16 Jul 2023 04:11:27
Mg, the problem is flames aren't retaining salary now because all their trade chips are on ridiculous good deals but deadline for sure would be a crazy bidding war including a 1st and a-b prospect, maybe more. Agree they should wait cause hes fine with this year.
11 Jul 2023 16:10:47
Buffalo Trades
Krebs
Lyubushkin
1st Round Pick 2024
Calgary Trades
ELindholm
Each Team going opposite directions as Calgary needs to sell off and retool/rebuild, while The Sabres are probably this upcoming seasons NJ Devils and ready to push as a contender.
Thoughts ?
11 Jul 2023 18:02:53
Drop Lybushkin then it’s solid but I think they target a dman or goalie before a forward.
12 Jul 2023 14:02:39
Super unreliable source that came up with this by the way. The guy runs his website like hes posting here. If they're talking, Probably hanifan and jokikarju, peterka, maybe Krebs. and weak calgary add. The guy threw out Krebs name cause hes from okotoks. Hes definitely not calgarys kind of guy judging from there draft.
11 Jul 2023 04:21:36
Bookmark this and look back on this I'll be calling out the people when Helly is traded.
Right now the market for Helly is tiny ( New Jersey and Buffalo )
I'm betting he heads to Jersey as there is mutual interest there and Buffalo is very frugal with their assets.
Goalies tend to have little value and the most a goalie has gotten were A. Schnider a young cost controlled goalie coming off a phenomenal playoff run with Vancouver B. Ryan Miller ( comparable to Helly imo )
People are going to really be surprised on the little value he brings in. I'd say 75% chance he's moved if not the Jets will ride out his contract because they are still a playoff team in there division and a playoff team trading there élite starting goalie mid season is a disservice to season ticket holders and the players on the team.
With that being said here is my vague estimate on what he returns.
New Jersey: Vanacek and a 1st 2024
Winnipeg: Hellybuck ( 50% retained )- yes If they move Helly that signals a rebuild so they will retain on him to maximize value very likely
Or
New Jersey: Vanacek, B level prospect and a 2nd 2024
Winnipeg: Hellybuck ( 50% retained )
I'm very interested to see his return. Vanacek is pretty solid and honestly in the long run maybe he's a better option then whatever Helly gets payed ( Loulongo, Price and Bob come to mind )
Dark horse team: LA kings don't think they do it with Copley and Talbot set but it's possible
11 Jul 2023 13:35:49
It's hard to say what the return will be if they trade Hellebuyck. There aren't any real comparables in recent history as elite goalies rarely get traded and Miller and Schneider just aren't the same level. However, your trade looks reasonable, you just may be a decent prospect light on it, especially with retention.
Because as you say, if goalies don't have much value, you're basically just oferring a late first for Hellebuyck, which likely doesn't do it. Chevy is a grinder and has shown he will get good returns on players when everyone else is saying he will get nothing.
11 Jul 2023 16:02:47
Although I agree that goalies don't get back a good return in trades.
Helly wanting $9+ mil a year doesn't make finding a trading partner easy for the Jets.
I believe that the Jets could do better than Vanacek and a 1st if he is traded before the season starts.
If he is moved at the trade deadline the Jets will most likely have to settle for an A prospect and a #1 draft pick but nothing better than a middle 6 forward or a 3rd pairing d-man.
Neither of those type of players would help the Jets.
Trades are hard to get a fair return in this new NHL.
11 Jul 2023 18:11:07
I dissagree on Miller. I think he’s better then Helly when he was moved. He did win a vezina on a horrid team and his numbers were among the top consistently again on a weak team also he had 2 Olympic medals at the time of the deal. He fell off a cliff after but at the time he was a top 5 goalie during the peak of goaltending in the 21st century.
11 Jul 2023 19:06:22
Well said Memarcus and Jet.
Chevy has shown himself to be a shrewd trader, so I expect him to do something worthwhile or nothing at all. He certainly exceeded expectations with the Dubois trade considering he was moving a distressed asset. Full respect?.
11 Jul 2023 23:03:56
I'm waiting for the deangelo to Carolina trade to go down before I bookmark anything by you vb, with all do respect.
12 Jul 2023 10:25:58
Sounds like nj is out. Im torn on hellybuck, hes top few goalies in the league now but a free agent at 31 and gonna want 8 mil and too many years. Only makes sense if he can win them 1 cup this year and hope he will sign for 5 years or less. I definitely can see gm's reluctance.
12 Jul 2023 13:10:05
SHOOTS: you bring an interesting perspective man. You're a well thought out cat?.
03 Jul 2023 16:28:32
Hellebuyck in Winnipeg will have to be moved, and Chevy knows this. Waiting until the trade deadline is a huge gamble....so trade him now, at least the season can start fresh with assets in place.
To New Jersey: Hellebuyck, Heinola, Kuhlman, 2nd rounder
To Winnipeg: Vanecek, Mercer, Bratt, 5th rounder
No money retained, no sign and trade required
03 Jul 2023 17:55:09
There is probably no chance that Jersey trades Mercer or Bratt just days after extending him.
03 Jul 2023 20:56:42
Massive overpay
03 Jul 2023 23:11:35
Lmao yeah that’s a joke drop Mercer and Bratt then it’s closer.
28 Jun 2023 00:56:18
NJ- Sharangovich and a 2023 3rd
CGY- Toffoli
My opinion is Conroy dropped the ball on this one. I think Toffoli could have fetched more closer to the deadline, but maybe this was a case of giving a vet what they wanted. Sharangovich will slot in at either 2nd line center (assuming Lindholm gets dealt and no one acquired to fill the spot in FA) or 3rd line center. Good size, struggled this year a bit from the year before in terms of production and faceoff percentage. Change of scenery could be good for him. Devils added a great player here. Bet there are a few teams kicking themselves for not offering maybe that tiny bit more.
28 Jun 2023 05:14:31
He wanted out because he was on sutters side, others want out because the way calgary runs their team. Owner-coach-gm. But owner also is saying not retaining salary on any trade because he hired sutter and still has to pay him so that will handicap what conroy can do and people will say he's a rookie but again the owner is still running the shots.
28 Jun 2023 06:14:45
Horrible trade. good for Toffoli. however, at deadline, Conroy coulda got a ton for a 30 goal winner.
28 Jun 2023 10:42:45
Conroy sh! t the bed on this trade…he got absolutely schooled. It’s going to be a rough few years in CGY.
28 Jun 2023 11:51:26
Shoots- He's a coach's dream. Plays hard and whatever role he is given. Also the kind of player who holds himself and his teammates accountable for poor play, not the coach. Guessing he just wanted a change and Conroy honoured it.
Sosa and Chickenfoot- Conroy definitely go fleeced on this. I can respect a GM who gives a vet what they want as a sign of respect. But there is no way this was the best deal. And if it was shame on some other teams who could've offered more to get a solid solid player coming of a 34G 39A 73P season.
28 Jun 2023 17:48:32
NJ also inked Meier to an 8.8millx8 contract. Hischer, Hughes, Bratt, Meier, Toffoli. About 10mill to resign a few RFAs and some dmen. They're tandem in net is signed and seems set. Luke Hughes makes the leap to the big leagues as well. They are set up quite nicely for a potential deep playoff run.
28 Jun 2023 19:51:48
MG: well-said. NJ looks like a Cup winner within 3 years. Great value deals, and great cap management. (It’s like the exact opposite of the Scooby Dubas school of sports team management. )
28 Jun 2023 21:45:57
Three factors at work here:
One, word was out to all GMs that Toffoli was available, so if anyone was going to make a better offer, they would have done so.
Two, Conroy absolutely did Toffoli a favour by dealing him now, when he could’ve done better at the deadline. And, with everything else going on, does Calgary really need the distraction until then?
Three, and most relevant, the Flames ownership are dictating moves like this (trading for roster players instead of high draft choices), because of fear and impatience (Can’t even say the “R” word). That lack of autonomy is why Treliving did virtually nothing at the last deadline, and why he left.
One sees teams like Nashville and St. Louis recognizing that they weren’t contenders and acting accordingly. Calgary absolutely should have done the same, but ownership was having none of it.
Having said all that, this return for Toffoli isn’t horrible at all. Calgary needs to get younger, bigger, faster, and needs cap space. Check, check, check, and check. A first round pick instead might’ve been nice, but see above.
29 Jun 2023 00:59:00
I'm just saying what I've heard, toffoli clashed with teammates after defending sutter so hard, and Conroy said after the trade he's waiting to see what happens with the others but toffoli needed to be done now. So I guessing he was being toxic. Sharangovich played pp last year and top 6,24 2nd year. 3rd year he got bumped down and was one of nj best pk guys. In my opinion toffoli is outscored by Sharangovich goals next year. He'll play with jh on the pp and score 30. People get so bent out of shape. Toffoli is max a 2nd round pick so calgary did well considering the depth this draft 80th is like a 60th normally.
29 Jun 2023 01:14:41
I personally don't think he would have been a distraction. Toffoli would have went to work and played hard every game knowing he's either getting dealt at the deadline or walking at year end. It wasn't an awful trade, but again I bet there are teams who may be regretting not making a bigger push for him. Sharangovich has scored 24G and he goes have age on his side as well as some fairly good size. Assuming Backlund and Lindholm get dealt he's their 2nd line C behind Kadri unless they can get someone in FA (which they can likely do a little easier now after shedding some cap. We'll see how next year goes. Could be a good trade all around.
30 Jun 2023 12:45:45
BURNER: you make some interesting points, and your comment about CGY ownership (there's a lot of them too) interfering in decision-making.
SHOOTS: I absolutely can't imagine Tofolli EVER being a disruptive influence in the dressing room. That's just not in him. I think he just wants out of a bad situation and he is fortunate to be going to a contender like NJ, who is doing their build the right way.
30 Jun 2023 23:23:57
@Chickenfoot Toffoli apparently wanted something around 6 years but Flames wanted 3, talks died down and eventually Toffoli felt that he wasn't apart of their future plans so he requested out. In my opinion, he's capitalizing off of a really great season and wants a long-term contract fast before his performance regresses and he's not worth what he could get now. Focusing on his financial security for the future at the best time.
02 Jul 2023 22:04:51
Love how guys jump on the Conroy blew it on this one trade. Sharangovich is a heck of a player and most importantly a finisher which Calgary lacks. He was a victim of less ice time and Toffoli before this year was a perennial 50 point guy who is about to lose any foot speed he may have had. Not saying he will suck cause he will do well on the pp in NJ but come on.