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07 Apr 2021 08:04:34
Mtl - armia - 2nd pick 2021

NJ - Ryan murray 50% retain

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07 Apr 2021 13:08:46
Does Montreal really need another defensemen though?

07 Apr 2021 00:51:06
Just because I'd love to see both Tkachuks on my sens,

Ott: M Tkachuk

Cal: D Batherson, L Brown, L Thomson, R Greig, Ott and Clb 2021 2nds (likely both 32-45 range), 2022 Ott 1st (top 10 protected), some late picks

Well also happily give you Matt Murray or Mike Rielly if you'd take them haha

Prolly not enuf but maybe

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07 Apr 2021 05:08:59
It probably cost them Batherson, (2021) 1st, Sanderson and maybe more tbh. Brown doesn’t hold much value. Not enough quality, too much quantity.

07 Apr 2021 13:26:32
I'd love to see the brothers playing together too but I'd much prefer trading Gaudreau and a 1st for Brady.

07 Apr 2021 17:46:32
@Mornix Ottawa how zero chance resigning Gaudreau, its pretty much guaranteed imo that he’s going to go to Philly when his contract is up. Brady is already better than Matthew as well, so i really don't see Calgary having any assets to get him.
Keep in mind this deal is a 22-year old w 23 points, 2 recent first round picks, 2 2nds that are probably worth a late first (2 times 30-40 can usually get 25-30), a future first that will likely be valuable and a project in L Brown that may or may not pan out.

08 Apr 2021 20:51:37
Are you crazy? Take out Grieg and ottawas 1st. The rest as is should be well more than enough. They are already getting a quality top 6 guy in Batherson, a future top 4 defense in Thompson, what most league wide STILL consider a high end prospect in L. Brown and 2 2nds lol Matthew is solid yes but more than that? Let alone a likely lottery pick this and next year, and a solid future top 6 former 1st in grieg on top? You're talking McDavid level value or near to it which I'm sorry to tell you, Matthew is just NOT!

06 Apr 2021 16:54:16
EDM
Foligno
Merzlikins
Savard
2021 4th round pick (CBJ)

CBJ
Jones
Koskinen
Neal
Khaira
2021 1st round pick (EDM)
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EDM
2021 2nd round pick (FLA)
2022 3rd round pick (FLA)

FLA
Larsson
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EDM
Oleksiak
2021 3rd round pick (DAL)

DAL
Samorukov
2022 3rd round pick (FLA)
2021 4th round pick (CBJ)
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EDM
2021 5th round pick (MIN)

MIN
Chiasson
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EDM
Glendening

DET
Turris
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EDM
Hall ($4,000,000 retained)

BUF
P. Russell
Nygård
2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
2021 3rd round pick (DAL)
2022 5th round pick (EDM)
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EDM
Watson
2021 3rd round pick (OTT)

OTT
Kahun
2021 4th round pick (EDM)

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06 Apr 2021 17:27:14
Koskinen and Neal essentially negate the value of that first package, considering that it'll probably take a 1st to dump Neal, and adding Koskinen's 4M on top of that? No from CBJ.

Second trade's fine tbh, Florida could use a blueliner and they'd probably pay that for Larsson if EDM wants to trade him.

Third trade's also probably fine, a decent prospect and a 4th for Oleksiak may even be a bit too much, maybe drop the 4th to a 5th or so and it's probably better.

Fourth trade probably is a no from Minnesota, Chiasson's been alright, but I've seen tons of Oilers fans on twitter complaining ab him, and with his cap hit, I doubt a team pays a pick for him.

Glendening gets more than Turris imo. Turris is fine, but Glendening is probably Turris+3rd/ 4th.

If the leafs packages are bad for Hall, then that's somehow even worse, cause Nygard and Russell are just placeholders, so a 2nd and a 3rd for 50% Hall? If people think the Kerfoot+1st for Hall deals are bad, this ones worse.

Last trades pretty lateral. Watson is a better fit for the playoffs for EDM, so i can see why they'd trade for him. That's probably even tbf.

06 Apr 2021 14:39:07
CBJ: Merzlikins + Laine

EDM: Nuge + Puljujärvi + Jones + Koskinen

Or


CBJ: Merzlikins + Foligno + 5th 2022

TOR: Dermott + Kerfoot + Abramov + 3rd 2021.

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07 Apr 2021 01:57:02
Puts leafs over the cap limit.

06 Apr 2021 11:42:59
Cal: Matthew Tkachuk

Mtl: Drouin + Gulhe + 1 round pick + Tuch

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06 Apr 2021 13:50:49
I don’t think the difference between Drouin and Tkachuk is 2 first round pick and a prospect that was projected to go late first round.

06 Apr 2021 15:13:17
Value is probably pretty close I’d say, Drouin is 4 years older, substantially worse both ways than Tkachuk and doesn’t bring the same grit, but 2 firsts and a second is a pretty good package to take the deal.

06 Apr 2021 21:47:42
Calgary isn't trading Matthew Tkachuk unless they get an "offer that just can't be refused" and this isn't one of those.

07 Apr 2021 08:00:59
I think they consider it but if they rebuild and trade Tkachuk, then why would they want to take back a 27 year old? Why wouldn’t they just keep Tkachuk for the rebuild? Makes no sense from CGY.

06 Apr 2021 11:25:33
Calgary Trades
Gaudreau (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Liljegren (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2021
2nd Round Pick 2021

Calgary at this point is nowhere near a contender and it's time to look into the future team more than what they are today, Gaudreau is one player that can bring Calgary some future assets and this Trade Proposal does that.

Toronto gets a Top LWinger who on the Matthews and Marner line would put all players to an even better level, Hyman moving down to the third line only makes the overall team better, this is a trade proposal that contending teams make like The Leafs and retooling teams like the Flames also make.


Thoughts ?

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06 Apr 2021 14:50:21
If Calgary is retaining a full 50% of Gaudreau's salary now and next season I believe they could get a bigger package. The one you're offering from Toronto is good I just feel they can get a better one especially for full retention.

06 Apr 2021 15:04:17
I don't mind the value for Gaudreau, I just don’t know if he really fits Toronto. They already have enough superstars, it might be better to get a great player that doesn’t mind not being the star of the show.

06 Apr 2021 15:16:38
Websjac
Adding Gaudreau would make Matthews and Marner even better than they are now, you can never have enough talent and as for grit, Hyman, Simmonds gives them that upfront, to me adding Gaudreau is a domino that makes every line better, can't think of one team that would want to face that offense in the playoffs, it would be wave after wave of attack from each line.
This is the year you look to stack your team if you are the Leafs, and after watching Calgary play yesterday they should be ready to change the team some.

06 Apr 2021 15:47:34
I wish every GM in the NHL was as determined to help the Leafs win a cup as you are Pinball.

06 Apr 2021 15:56:43
Pinball, Mtl would love to play Toronto’s offense in the playoff. This team relies heavily on they’re talent and speed to win puck battles, but they don’t forecheck with enough determination and intensity to get past the Canadiens in the playoffs.

06 Apr 2021 16:13:51
LilTuzziBert
You must be a Leaf hater to make that statement, Leaf haters always make it out of undervaluing any Trade that actually helps Toronto possibly win The Cup, was waiting to here if I change Bennett instead of Gaudreau Calgary might consider it, that's the usual I read, fact is Toronto is going for it and Calgary needs changes, trades like this happen year after year when Top Teams look to improve to win right away and struggling Teams retool or rebuild there future.
And JAndersonBPF that is just a ridiculous response that others I am sure will have enough to say about what you posted.

06 Apr 2021 16:42:35
Im a Red Wings fan and could care less what the Leafs do to upgrade but I'm just being honest, every proposal you make is one-sided to the Leafs favor and you're not even trying to hide it. Don't get mad at me because a majority of people here disagree with your proposals and see your bias. If you could use your rationale for how this helps Calgary other than "teams that are retooling do this all the time" that would be great. But I'm betting you didn't care to think that part through because you're looking at this only from the lens of how it helps Toronto.

06 Apr 2021 17:31:09
LilTuzziBert
How does this help Calgary?

Well to start with Kerfoot is signed an extra year more than Gaudreau, and Kerfoot isn't a star player but a fringe between a bottom Top 6 and a top Bottom 6, Liljegren is a good Prospect that plays in the NHL next season and is only 21yrs old, and why would anyone look at any 1st and 2nd Round Picks as a throw in?
Draft Picks is how any Team builds there Team in the future, so to say this is a bias trade for The Leafs are actually bias against The Leafs trying to improve there Team.
My Proposal doesn't have any players that will never be in the NHL, if it did yes you could say I am bias only looking to make Toronto better, so please tell me how this doesn't help Calgary in the future?

06 Apr 2021 18:22:31
IMO Calgary underperformed this season compared to expectations, but they're not a team looking to retool with prospects and picks. Gaudreau is on the chopping block because he has underperformed compared to expectations but I would imagine Brad Treliving would try to trade for a replacement player that will keep the Flames being competetive and try to reshape the roster he's been using.

What i'm saying is this package is an attractive offer to Buffalo/ Ottawa/ Detroit/ Anaheim who are in different rebuilding stages, but its not an attractive offer to Calgary because they're expected to perform with the roster they already have. Taking out Gaudreau will mean they have another positional need to address and that's why I'd say this isn't helping Calgary.

06 Apr 2021 18:59:23
LilTuzziBert
Have you watched Calgary play from mid season last year until the Team they are now?
That Team needs a huge overhaul to be competitive again, you are right about one thing they aren't in the same position as those bottom feeder teams, but those bottom feeder teams are actually ahead of Calgary because they are rebuilding now where Calgary is in the first process of a rebuild, besides MTkachuk as a Top Player this is an aging Team even Monahan isn't the same player and I have always been a huge Monahan supporter.
Gaudreau isn't sticking around after next season and if they wait until next season to trade him they won't get much value for him as they would right now, and if they don't trade him at all he walks away as a UFA and they get nothing.
We all have our opinions on what we think happens and we will see what happens and who is right and who is wrong, 6 days to find out.
Cheers.

06 Apr 2021 19:43:15
Guadreau is not a fit in Toronto he’d be 3rd line on Toronto as would hall ( yes he’s a top 10 LW in game ) Guadreau-Mathews-Marner would be awful as there is 3 skilled offensive players 1 sniper and 2 playmaker. They need to have a player like Hyman/ Foligno/ Etc who runs into the corner and gets the puck to be effective. That line would be awful at fore checking and would rely solely on possession which isn’t smart. Same thing with Nylander and Tavares. It’s really easy to tell you have never played hockey before. I’ve played competitive hockey for 16 years I’m 20 years old and ill tell you a hard nosed player is a must on a effective line.

06 Apr 2021 20:08:03
Nylander
I am 35yrs older than you, and know hockey inside out, yes agreed the perfect line has a corner guy, a playmaker and a shooter (goal scorer) well Gaudreau isn't big probably smaller but he is both a playmaker who scores more goals than Marner, Matthews is the shooter and he is big enough to be a power forward, once in a while he shows that not enough but he can and should go into the corners more, and Marner is the pure playmaker, so I disagree that line wouldn't be successful it surely would imo.

06 Apr 2021 22:05:25
'I am 35yrs older than you, and know hockey inside out'

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ain't NEVER THOUGHT i'd SEE THIS ONE.

06 Apr 2021 22:06:28
LilTuzziBert said a lot of correct things. And I agree with him on majority but i like the value pinball, I like the reasons you gave too. Good trade pinball.

07 Apr 2021 02:00:13
“It surely would in my opinion” take surely out. What cup team won with 3 soft players on their top line?

07 Apr 2021 22:38:04
I mean the pens have always had a pretty soft first line, but I do agree you need grit somewhere on a championship team.

06 Apr 2021 05:29:27
CBJ: Merzlikins + Laine

EDM: Nuge + Jones + Koskinen.

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06 Apr 2021 11:05:13
that would be a no from Columbus big time.

06 Apr 2021 17:28:57
If Nuge comes with an extension, it's probably closer, but yeah, Nuge as a UFA doesn't really do much for a CBJ team that should be retooling, especially for Laine, who was the hallmark of the Dubois trade. Going from Dubois to a UFA in less than 3 months is horrible asset management, imo.

06 Apr 2021 00:20:12
Mtl:Mete,2rd2021

St Louis:Dunn

Two defensemen who could use a change of scenery. Dunn is the better defensemen but he is also 2 years older so a second round pick is more then faire to make up the difference imo

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06 Apr 2021 11:06:28
I think St Louis would probably just keep Dunn. They’re both projects but Dunn is better.

06 Apr 2021 13:40:01
Blues do not need mette.

 


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