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05 Aug 2021 12:14:37
Calgary Trades
Monahan*

Toronto Trades
Rielly
Kerfoot

*Calgary retains 50% of Monahan's contract.

Flames with the loss of Giordano are in need of a Top 2 Defenceman and Rielly would fit that bill, Rielly for Monahan straight up would be fair alone, but because Calgary will be retaining half of his remaining 2yrs Kerfoot has to be added for that compensation.

Leafs are always looking to improve with a limited Cap this year more so than any other year, I see the same situation with Rielly like Hyman not resigning because of Cap after this season, so it's time to trade your best trade chip and open the door for Sandin and Liljegren to play fulltime in the NHL, Monahan replacing Kerfoot makes Toronto better upfront.


Thoughts ?

Agree1 Disagree31

05 Aug 2021 13:39:11
Nope, no retention.

05 Aug 2021 13:43:55
And we don't want Kerfoot either.

05 Aug 2021 14:02:26
I would change one thing in my proposal and that's the retain of Monahan's contract, I believe to make it more fair and believable instead of 50% retained I am changing that to 1.75m retained for this upcoming season and the next as Monahan has 2yrs left on his contract.

05 Aug 2021 16:45:33
I don’t see the value of giving up the term on Monahan with no extension on Reilly. It would need to be a sign and trade.

Also don’t see retention being required on Calgary’s side. They could likely move Monahan’s contract to someone who can likely fit his cap of 6.375 and get value for him without taking back Kerfoot and retaining a lot.

Monahan’s value has dropped due to low offensive output but his defensive side makes up for that a bit to still make him a valuable trade piece.

05 Aug 2021 18:14:15
Monahan for Reilly straight up might happen just because the Flames are looking to shake things up, have been shopping him and he's had a couple down years in a row.

Monahan is signed for 2 more years, will more than likely bounce back next year and unless it's a big bounce back is likely to get less money in 2 years on his next contract.

Reilly needs a new contract in just 1 year, is likely to get 7-7.5 mil/ year possibly even more and there's no guarantee he will resign with Calgary.

Toronto would be counting on Monahan bouncing back and saving some money. Calgary would be counting on being able to extend or resign Reilly to a reasonable contract that fits their salary structure.

05 Aug 2021 20:47:27
Monahan is ready for a rebound season and become the 30 goal scorer he was, I think that’s why management is super hesitant on trading him. Haven’t really seen the same offense outta him but got to take into consideration that he’s been working on his two way game that’s why he isn’t producing as much. Calgary isn’t retaining, but Toronto has no need for Monahan.

05 Aug 2021 21:00:50
It's awfully nice of every team in the league to want to retain salary for the leafs.

05 Aug 2021 23:11:21
Even though this would be a shakeup for both teams. I see Calgary saying No due to the uncertainty of signing Reilly.

Toronto would likely say No because they rather keep their defensive depth than add a forward who wouldn’t likely get the Top 6 ice time at his natural centre position in Toronto ( Matthews and Tavares blocking him)

06 Aug 2021 01:02:03
@NotACasual I agree with most of that except the part about Toronto having no use for Monahan.

I think Toronto would use Monahan at LW one of the top two lines. On the first line with Matthews and Marner that would create a new "3M" line in Toronto.

He'd be a great insurance policy to have around in case one of Matthews or Marner gets hurt too.

06 Aug 2021 01:12:34
Make that in case Matthews or Tavares gets hurt.

06 Aug 2021 03:21:23
Monahan a d rielly are basically the same points in the last 3 seasons and rielly is a defenceman. Would give rielly fir that strait up let alone adding kerfoot. To many leaf haters here.

06 Aug 2021 03:23:11
And they are only a year apart.

06 Aug 2021 08:24:13
Giller23 the fact that you brought up points and complained about leafs haters lol. There’s obviously more to the trade, like a big one being that Rielly will become a UFA.

06 Aug 2021 15:27:39
Defensive side? Alex Semin Is a better defensive player.

06 Aug 2021 15:29:55
Exactly, sign Reilly at 8x7 first and Calgary probably adds something to the deal. But if the Leafs could sign him for that, they'd probably keep him.

06 Aug 2021 18:53:46
@Nylander Even Pinball has a better idea of player values than you do. Go back to sportsnet with the rest of the oiler fans.

07 Aug 2021 04:13:17
C, Sean Monahan 54% WAR %
$6.4M x 2

49 Hits | 18BS | 10PIM


EV Off EV Def
57% 7%

PP Finishing
80% 66%

G/ 60 A1/ 60
49% 66%

Penalty QoC QoT
81% 90% 76%


Just if anyone’s curious.

07 Aug 2021 16:03:36
Lmao 7% defence. He’s a solid PP player but he’s not a player you win with.

07 Aug 2021 18:07:20
Those war things are junk. Monahan is a decent two way guy and is more than just good on the PP.

07 Aug 2021 21:55:11
Show nylander some love, he is Canadian after all.

08 Aug 2021 19:31:30
If monahan buys into the Sutter system, he'll learn pretty well everything he is short on.

09 Aug 2021 15:59:10
26-1 is the widest margin yet I've seen for a Pinball trade to be down-voted.

05 Aug 2021 01:13:05
Florida:
Morgan Rielly D
Travis Dermott D
Nicholas Robertson RW



Toronto:
Aaron Ekblad D

Agree0 Disagree25

05 Aug 2021 04:15:52
Why would Florida do this?

05 Aug 2021 05:14:38
Florida says make it Anton Stralman or Radko Gudas for Reilly and we'll think about taking those other two even though they'll never play here either.

08 Aug 2021 19:39:18
Nicholas Robertson has more value to leaf fans than everyone else. Florida gives up too much, ekblad is better than reilly by a gap. Is signed past this year, and is younger.

04 Aug 2021 19:46:19
Toronto:
Jakob Chychrun D
Christian Dvorak RW
Victor Soderstrom D
Josh Doan RW


Arizona:
Mitch Marner RW
Timothy Liljegren D
Morgan Rielly D

Agree3 Disagree23

04 Aug 2021 23:03:30
Leafs should get more.

05 Aug 2021 17:29:45
Leafs would need to retain about 3 mil in salary on Marner and Reilly would have to agree to a contract extension Arizona can live with too.

03 Aug 2021 17:56:04
Mtl-Eichel

Buffalo-2021 2nd, becomes a 1st if Eichel is cleared to play after surgery, plus balance of trade also dependent on Eichel having his preferred neck surgery and passing a physical to play. This allows Buffalo to come away with a 1st regardless.

Buffalo- Balance of trade is a 2023 1st, Guhle and a player to be named later (Drouin)

Agree2 Disagree18

03 Aug 2021 18:56:00
I like eichel as a player. but at times i wonder if there's any value going after a player that seems Moody.

03 Aug 2021 19:38:36
Yeah Buffalo passes.

04 Aug 2021 14:23:31
The 2021 draft is already over.

04 Aug 2021 14:55:20
Montreal passes as well.

04 Aug 2021 16:20:18
After Eichel's reps blasted the Sabres it's pretty obvious they won't want him in camp and a trade is going to happen soon. So somebody gets him before the surgery? What are they getting and what are they giving up for that? My deal gives them a solid pick for a him even if he never plays again. And if he does, even for year or two, A very talented player who is also a bit of an unknown, Guhle who is probably a top 4 eventually and the most sure thing to make the NHL that we have as a prospect, plus a 1st. I think that's a pretty good deal and a balance of risk for both teams.

04 Aug 2021 18:34:36
@balsam “‘Montreal passes” yeah okay buddy lmao.

04 Aug 2021 18:45:24
That's probably about what a healthy Eichel is worth but Buffalo wants more. A lot more. Several teams likely will roll the dice and offer more than that though still not what Buffalo is asking.

Unfortunately for my Flames Treliving is foolish enough to offer way more than he should!

I don't want Eichel in Calgary at all but if it did happen I won't be happy if costs more than this:

The Flames get full access to Eichel's medical records with time to review them and have their own doctors examine Eichel before the trade happens.

Sean Monahan and either Dillion Dube or Jakob Pelletier and the following conditional adds

1. A 2022 first round pick or prospect if Eichel gets a clean bill of health by the midpoint of next season, plays in at least half the games and scores at a rate prorated to equal 25 goals AND 60 points over a full season.

2. A 2023 first round pick or prospect if in the following year Eichel scores 30 goals OR 80 points.

Prospects instead of picks could be anyone except Zary, Coronato and Kuznetsov.

05 Aug 2021 14:25:02
At last you're acknowledging the basic structure of my deal. The Flames need something to juice that lineup. I also understand your feelings toward taking on Eichel and the big contract hit. He hasn't seemed to provide any meaningful leadership for Buffalo, he's not healthy and he's awful expensive. He definitely fills a hole at center for the Habs if he can play though. ( MY 2021 pick should have read 2022)

03 Aug 2021 18:08:27
Montreal Canadiens in my opinion did well in free agency. But the list of Danault is a big hole up the middle. I think they need to address it.
Habs
Drouin

Coyotes
Dvorak

Agree1 Disagree14

03 Aug 2021 20:01:24
Look at what Coyotes got to take the bad contracts so far… that’s what it would cost to get rid of Drouin never less get something.

03 Aug 2021 23:50:55
Why would a rebuilding team trade for Drouin?

04 Aug 2021 16:23:07
Why would a team take a guy who might never play again? Risk for risk. Anything else is just foolish.

04 Aug 2021 18:35:31
@habbycat imma pretend you made sense.

05 Aug 2021 14:26:14
Eichel's a risk. Drouin's a risk. Made perfect sense.

05 Aug 2021 17:48:45
But Eichel has nothing to do with this trade proposal.

05 Aug 2021 19:05:58
Ah! You've got me there! Wrong thread. My apologies.

03 Aug 2021 18:00:25
EDM: Koskinen (20%) + Samorukov + 3rd 2022 + 4th 2022


CBJ: Korpisalo


Columbus gets backup for Elvis for one more season till Tarasov is ready for NHL

Edmonton gets potential starter.

Agree2 Disagree15

05 Aug 2021 02:01:55
Columbus wants a first for Korpisalo and they'll probably get it. If you want them to take Koskinen too that costs extra.

Make it Koskinen + Edmonton's 2022 first round pick and something better than Samorukov and Columbus considers it.

05 Aug 2021 03:17:39
I don’t think that deal looks super attractive but Samorukov probably has about the value of a 2nd so it’s not all that bad. Don’t think Korpisalo gets a 1st right now, maybe they hold on to him and he gets one at the deadline after a good season. The past three seasons Koskinens numbers have been better BTW.

05 Aug 2021 03:34:43
Koskinen has better numbers then Korpisalo in the last few years. The only way I would make this trade if it was straight across…. Even then I might risk going into the season with Smith and Koskinen … no from Edmonton.

11 Aug 2021 17:37:51
Wow, Koskinen is perhaps the toughest contract to dump in the NHL. I just can't see any team taking it unless you're throwing some picks or prospects in for sweeteners, and you're DEFINITELY not getting a return like Korpisalo.

02 Aug 2021 12:29:39
Washington Trades
Kuznetsov*
3rd Round Pick 2022

Toronto Trades
Rielly
Kerfoot
Engvall

*Washington retains 1.8m each year for the remaining Contract of Kuznetsov.

Washington wants to part ways with Kuznetsov but not give him away even though his value isn't at peak anymore, so to bite that bullet and get a good return back they will have to retain some of his salary and add a 3rd Round Pick, Toronto did the same thing in the Kessel trade so it has been done before, Kerfoot replaces Kuznetsov as a second line centre, Engvall is a solid 4th line left winger and Rielly a top left handed defenceman paired with Carlson.

Toronto gets another top centre that only makes them better up front, so people will say ok yes Kuznetsov is an upgrade on Kerfoot but we are losing Rielly and Engvall ? Sandin and Liljegren ready to take the next step plus one year left on Rielly's contract makes him expendable, as for Engvall he isn't in the plans for this upcoming season anyways.

It's a win win situation for both Teams and what they are looking for.


Thoughts ?

Agree9 Disagree23

03 Aug 2021 02:12:42
Rielly > Kuznetsov
Kerfoot and Engvall > 3rd

Positional wise it makes no sense from Toronto… they need defense, why would they give up one of their best defensemen.

03 Aug 2021 03:13:18
NotACasual
Remember Rielly is a UFA after this upcoming season, and without Rielly this is what the Top 6 Defence would look like
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Brodie
Sandin - Liljegren
Having Rielly still on the team puts either Dermott or Liljegren in the pressbox probably Liljegren in the minors and it's time for Liljegren to be an NHLer.
Kuznetsov and retain of 1.8m would equal to Rielly and Kerfoot because Rielly is signed for one more season and Kerfoot 2 more only, yes Engvall is more the throw in but because Washington wants to trade Kuznetsov it's not a trade of strength for The Capitals and that's why a 3rd Round Pick is also added.
The 4 Centres in this proposal are
Matthews, Tavares, Kuznetsov and Kampf. Tell me a better 4 than that?

03 Aug 2021 11:26:56
If leafs wanted to trade Rielly to Washington it definitely wouldn’t be for Kuzy. Why not Tom Wilson? He was made available, he checks all the boxes that Toronto needs.

03 Aug 2021 12:04:46
NotACasual
Washington isn't looking to trade Wilson as he checks all the boxes for The Capitals as well, it's well known Kuznetsov is who Washington wants to trade, Dubas agree or disagree believes in talent first with some grit, he did add grit signing Ritchie and resigning Simmonds but having Kuznetsov up front gives them more talent and Dubas will choose that everytime.

03 Aug 2021 15:33:15
Classic Pinball. I need to agree with Not a Casual. this trade makes no sense for the Leafs
Ya don't need offensive forwards, ya may have the best 4some in the league. ya need some Dmen. are you really that confident with both the 2 rookies back there? .

03 Aug 2021 16:28:24
sosahabs24
Sandin is 21yrs old
Liljegren is 22yrs old
They aren't 18 or 19yr old players anymore, it's time to find out if they are NHLers this upcoming season, the only way is to play both full time and the only way is to trade Rielly, Muzzin is needed more than Rielly plus he has a NTC and Brodie isn't going anywhere, they protected Holl because they want Holl so he is staying, you trade your biggest trade chip which for the Leafs is Rielly and his 5m Cap hit this year before he gets probably 8m after, which means he walks in the end.

03 Aug 2021 18:04:14
@pinball wdym, they literally made Wilson available. Backstrom, Ovechkin and Carlson are the only untouchables. This isn’t me saying it, it’s the GM -_-.

01 Aug 2021 21:39:25
Calgary trades:
Johnny Gaudreau

Toronto trades:
Morgan Reilly

Both players are 27 years old and become UFAs after the 2021-22 season.

Toronto likely isn't on Johnny's 5 team list of teams he can be traded to but I think he'd waive for them if and when it becomes obvious he's not going to get extended with Calgary.

Calgary could retain salary and/ or take a depth player (Engvall maybe) to balance the $1.75 million difference in cap hit.

Toronto's offense gets even better and Calgary gets a replacement for Gio.

Calgary would need to find another top 6 winger preferably a right shot RW but they've needed a good right shot RW for years already anyhow.

Many Toronto fans seem to think Sandin is ready to replace Reilly now. I'm skeptical of that but if they're right Toronto already has Reilly's replacement.

Agree2 Disagree22

01 Aug 2021 22:21:20
I’d rather keep Rielly.

02 Aug 2021 11:49:27
Gaudreau > Rielly.

02 Aug 2021 17:17:46
@NotACasual Gaudreau is more skilled but IMO trade value is close.

Treliving probably wouldn't do it anyhow. He'll wind up either badly overpaying Gaudreau or losing him in a year's time and getting nothing or next to nothing back in return.

02 Aug 2021 17:49:30
Elite winger=2nd pairing dman.

Rielly is a low end number 1 dman. He’s among the top 32 best dman in the game.

03 Aug 2021 02:14:52
@moxnix we already have troubles scoring goals, so giving up our best offensive forward isn’t a good idea.

 


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