NHL rumours 6

26 Feb 2024 15:35:42
Toronto - Adam Larsson (50% retained), P.E. Bellemare

Seattle - 24 1st Rd pick, 24 NYI 3rd Rd pick, 5th Rd pick (whenever), Nick Robertson, Conor Timmins

26 Feb 2024 19:18:31
- I think you're close, but the second year of retention at 50% is going to cost something, provided Ronnie Franchise even wants to trade one of his more dependable D.

- Robertson has little value, and Timmins has even less value. plus mono. If you replaced those two with a better prospect (or a 2nd if you could pick on up in trade) .

26 Feb 2024 20:37:14
Hopefully Toronto would pass here. I do like Larsson but not at that expense.

Robertson does still have value. He is only 22.

25 Feb 2024 21:54:11
MTL : Jordan Harris
LAK : Alex Turcotte

Former high draft pick with potential, who's also a pending RFA and has had mild offensive production at the pro level for a young mobile 3rd pair dman with some potential but has been dealing with multiple injuries this season.

LA probably gets an upgrade for their 3rd, MTL gets another pending RFA "reclamation" project and eases the logjam of young defensemen in their lineup

26 Feb 2024 10:03:42
- I agree that MTL will need to move some of their young D that they’ve developed, and that Harris is one of the likely candidates.

- I think Harris easily has top-4 potential, and I don’t see Turcotte as enough of a return for Harris. With so many teams needing cheap young D, I see Harris yielding more than Turcotte.

26 Feb 2024 13:09:01
I think Turcotte could definitely turn into a top 6 player still. Everything is there, just needs to put it together. I do think that Harris may be one they hold onto.

Correct me if I'm wrong Habs fans but future dpairings are potentially likely to look like this:

Guhle-Reinbracher
Harris-Mailloux
Struble-Kovacievic/ Barron

Assuming they all develop accordingly and no significant injuries that's a pretty well rounded d group to potentially have in the future.

26 Feb 2024 14:56:03
By the time Mathesson contract ends up engstrom and konyuskov will be NHL ready, and you forgot xhekaj, so I think Harris, stubble and Barron are expendable pieces for the habs.

26 Feb 2024 18:09:51
@Bfg2357 I'll be the first to admit I'm not well versed with the Habs prospect pool so if you as a Habs fan is saying that then I'll believe it. Think there's an outside chance qe could see Xhekaj move to forward and play a 4th line role?

26 Feb 2024 19:21:32
I tend to agree BFG.

No matter how it goes, some teams will get some good young D in trade with the Habs, who need to turn some of those prospects on D into a quality high-end piece up front. (Not Zegras. )

26 Feb 2024 22:58:20
I would like to see xhekaj as a forward, so when he fight, we still have 6 d available, but I don't think they will do it, he's a good bottom pairing D with some offensive upside.

27 Feb 2024 10:01:17
I hear what you’re thinking about turning X into a forward, but his vision from the point is sneaky good too, and he just won the Habs’ hardest shot contest when he fired a 106 slapper.

I totally understand the creativity of the suggestion, especially given the glut of young D, but this guy just seems like he’s perfectly suited to being an intimidating F. O. defender with some sneaky offensive skills.

27 Feb 2024 12:23:47
Damn that's a bomb from the point. I was looking at it from the standpoint you move him upfront and you still keep the majority of young dmen coming up. Seen it before with Deslauriers and a few other guys who played D and got moved up front. I think him on a 3rd or 4th line would be fun to see especially with his brother (think mighty ducks d2 😂) . But very hard to justify moving a guy who can hammer the puck like that from his natural position back there. Hopefully they utilize him a bit more on the PP and give him the chance to get his offense going.

27 Feb 2024 16:57:42
Future dcore would imo look more like this
Matheson reinbacher
Hutson Guhle
Mailloux (xhekaj struble)

27 Feb 2024 18:29:29
That's awesome MG, and I forgot the Deslauriers was a d-man. I love to box and have a soft spot for the ham 'n eggers. The character it takes to do that job is something I respect very much.

25 Feb 2024 17:22:53
Seattle Trades
Larsson*

Toronto Trades
Reaves
Timmons
1st Round Pick 2024

*Kraken retain 50% of the remaining 2 seasons of Larsson's contract.



Thoughts ?

25 Feb 2024 17:32:23
Larsson is worth more than that without retention. Great defensive Dman that can play first pair minutes and is a right shot. Reaves is a cap dump, Timmins is a fringe nhl Dman who's already 25 and that 1st round pick is likely a late one.

If Seattle makes Larsson available, they'll most likely get better deals than this one.

25 Feb 2024 19:31:53
As a fellow Leaf fan you make it impossible to put any stock in any of your proposals. Terrible for Seattle.

25 Feb 2024 19:38:41
matador12
Look at deadline trades in the past, most are good players traded for minimal including salary retained.
Last season Leafs got O'Reilly, McCabe and Lafferty with salary retained and what did they give up in players? Yes Picks they did but they got all 3 for basically nothing.

25 Feb 2024 20:40:07
2 years of term on Larssons contract will cost more than a late 1st round pick. Reaves is a cap dump with no trade value and wouldn't even make the Kraken bottom 6. Timmons can't replace what Seattle loses in Larssons strengths or trade value.

25 Feb 2024 21:36:54
Larsson is way better than McCabe. He's probably one of the best shutdown Dmen in the NHL and plays on your first pair, whereas McCabe is a physical and serviceable 3rd pair, maybe 2nd pair defenseman. The other two players you've mentionned were rentals.

Put yourself in Seattle's shoes, why would you accept this trade?

26 Feb 2024 01:32:43
Larsson will get a much better return than this. Right kind of player; but we'd be foolish to big game hunt this year. Peeke, Seeler, as you've mentioned Joshua Brown. Those should be the kind of players we are looking at if we are making moves Low cap hit, likely not going to cost a tonne trade wise. Smart thing to do would be to let it ride. Trade market isn't the greatest this year. A regroup in the offseason would give us another 1st round prospect, see where our current prospects are at developmentally, and see what FA looks like.

26 Feb 2024 08:02:57
Larsson won't get moved, they have not much depth RHD, and Timmons is not moving the needle I think.

26 Feb 2024 10:07:35
Read the feedback Pinball. It’s not bias against your leafs when your fellow leaf fans are saying your trades are unrealistic.

24 Feb 2024 21:06:25
Mtl- send Gallagher 25 %retain and wpg 1st pick to Chicago

Then

Chicago retain half of Gallagher 5m
To EDM for Campbell and EDM 1st pick

Chicago get to first pick to retain 2.5m salary on Gally and take Campbell

EDM gain a little cap space , a good depth player in Gallagher at 2.5m

Habs give Gallagher a chance to win a cup in his hometown and free 5m cap space for the next 3year

Then
EDM pursue vatrano in Anh for Holloway-2 Nd pick 2025

25 Feb 2024 16:54:34
- I firmly believe Gally would jump at the chance to play in EDM, and that he’d be a great depth add at the right cap hit.

- a MTL 1st for seems steep, but it may well be market value for this deadline.

- Good one BFG👍.

25 Feb 2024 17:28:14
I don't think it's worth it to give away a 1st round pick from MTL's perspective, as they can tank Gallagher's contract for 2-3 years and opt for a buyout afterwards if need be. They don't have any significant players to re-sign for the next 2 years and they have some contracts coming off the books in the next 2, notably Allen, Dvorak and Petry's retention which combine for a little over 10M. With the cap ceiling reportedly going up significantly for the next few years, I just don't really think MTL needs that cap space anyways, unless they trade for another RFA who will commend a significant cap hit.

25 Feb 2024 21:19:08
@matador12 they definitely don't need to trade Gally, but I think they do this deadline or offseason so he can have another crack at winning a cup.

25 Feb 2024 21:39:39
@MG69 it's a possibility, but I doubt Hughes really wants to part ways with one of his high draft picks just for Gallagher to have a chance to win a cup with a playoff team. MTL's management likes the person, but hopefullyy there's a limit to what they will do to accomodate him.

26 Feb 2024 01:06:09
@matador12 if they retain on Gally and get a third team involved they shouldn't need to part with any draft capital. Good chance that Jets pick is a later round pick anyways so I can see Hughes being open to moving it. got to look at it like this, that cap space opens the door for taking a bad contract and potentially getting more draft capital back as well or signing a multiple players to fill out the lineup. The Habs aren't too far off from being back in the playoff hunt and they have a lot jam of young dman that they can dangle for more help upfront.

26 Feb 2024 08:17:25
Unload Gallagher contract give massive cap space. Habs will already have 15 M in cap space. Now will have 20M to make a big splash. Make a forward roster spot in the bottom six for a more physical guy (cheaper) or younger like Joshua roy or henneiman.

27 Feb 2024 16:57:14
Future dcore imo would look like this:
Matheson reinbacher
Hutson Guhle
Mailloux (xehkaj or struble)

23 Feb 2024 19:17:37
Toronto trades Robertson, Brodie, Jones and 2024 3rd pk

to Nashville for Carrier and Saros

Then

Then Toronto trades Liljegren, Samsonov and McMann

to Philly for Tanev

23 Feb 2024 19:35:24
Torontos offer is underpaying for Saros

Torontos offer is overpaying for Tanev.

23 Feb 2024 19:38:58
There's a Tanev on philly?

23 Feb 2024 23:12:54
💩💩💩

At least the other Homers know Tanev plays in CGY.

24 Feb 2024 01:09:15
Everybody happy to give the leafs what they need for there crap lol. Get real!

22 Feb 2024 23:18:17
Pitts- Malkin half retain - Eller

Nyr- chytil-kakko-1st pick 2024

Sound maybe a little expensive from Nyr perspective but Malkin at 3 M could be a very valuable asset for a team in a now win mode. Get a good 2 way center in Eller too

Pittsburgh get 2 good and young NHL players plus a first

23 Feb 2024 14:30:24
Kyle Dubas has already stated he's only listening to offers on all non-core players (Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Karlsson, and maybe even Guentzel are off limits) .

23 Feb 2024 23:14:24
PIT says “Start the car! START THE CAR! ”.

22 Feb 2024 22:52:46
Ottawa Trades
Tarasenko*
Hamonic

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Kampf
1st Round Pick 2024

*Ottawa retains 50% of Tarasenko's expiring contract.




Thoughts ?

23 Feb 2024 01:05:02
People are going to find a way to spin this and say it’s bad for Ottawa but no way both of these players return a 1st. Taresanko gets a 2nd and Hamonic maybe gets a 4th at the deadline. I’d be shocked if Taresanko returns a 1st.

23 Feb 2024 01:17:21
pretty close in terms of value imo

23 Feb 2024 02:22:20
I think the leafs should definitely get tarasenko for the playoff push.

23 Feb 2024 02:34:32
Someone will overpay for Tarasenko but I mean he's sitting with 37 points after 52 games so it's not a stretch to say someone will offer up a first for him.

23 Feb 2024 19:44:00
It will likely be a 1st from 16-24, so it's a decent offer. but please keep Robertson and kampf, either that or throw in a 2nd and 3rd for taking your spare parts.

23 Feb 2024 21:11:42
Facelift39
A 22 year old winger who is showing he is an NHL Player is a spare part?
Tarasenko for NRobertson and a 1st isn't reasonable?
Kampf for Hamonic isn't fair value either?
Are you watching The NHL or KHL?

24 Feb 2024 03:55:55
Haha Robertson and the 1st for a retained tarasenko sure, fair. but I strongly disagree that 1 year of hamonic at 1 mill is equal to 3 years of an unneeded kampf at 2.5 (which forward is coming out of ottawa's roster to accommodate this oh so massive upgrade? )

24 Feb 2024 14:12:34
HAHAHA…Pinball chiding someone on their hockey knowledge? 🤣🤣

You can’t make this stuff up.

Facelift is right. Pinball is wrong, and will be very disappointed that the trades he’s envisioning won’t be anywhere close to what eventually happens at the trade deadline. The leafs don’t have the trade capital to make big moves, and will be planning modest upgrades where they make sense. Treliving is a smart hockey man.

24 Feb 2024 15:40:54
Chickenfoot
Remember last year around this time I posted The Leafs getting McCabe with half his remaining contract being eaten by Chicago?
You said I am delusional and that McCabe would never waive his NTC to go to any Canadian Team, nor would Chicago want any of The Leafs spare parts?
You are once again setting yourself up, let's see what happens by the deadline and who is right once again.

24 Feb 2024 15:46:15
And vvbbb hit the nail on the head that people like Chickenfoot would spin this is and say this is a bad trade for Ottawa.
vvbbb was right!

25 Feb 2024 17:03:33
PINBALL…no…I do not recall what a posted a year ago…get some perspective man…🙄

- The Trade Deadline is not a “Telethon in support of sending the leafs to the 2nd round”.

- Surely you are aware that most think your trades are outrageously one sided?

- 99% of your trade proposals are strictly “Make a Wish” nonsense.

- Post something good and positive feedback will follow, and stop being so darn whiney and defensive.

22 Feb 2024 16:28:47
3 team proposal.

Arizona Trades
Keller-(Tor)
Dumba*-(Col)
JBrown*+(Tor)

Colorado Trades
O'Connor-(Arz)
Byram-(Arz)
Kero(AHL)-(Tor)

Toronto Trades
Knies-(Arz)
Kampf-(Col)
Jarnkrok-(Col)
Liljegren-(Arz)
Petruzzelli(AHL)-(Arz)
1st Round Pick 2024-(Arz)
3rd Round Pick 2024(NYI Pick)-(Arz)


*Arizona retains 50% of both Dumba and JBrown expiring contract.


So many players in my proposal going here and there to explain it all, but what each team is giving up and what they are getting fits every teams needs imo.



Thoughts ?

22 Feb 2024 18:22:22
Colorado trades Byram and get next to nothing in return.

22 Feb 2024 19:00:49
Ebsolutely
Colorado needs depth on bottom forward lines and Kampf and Jarnkrok do that, Dumba is the hard hitting RHanded Defenceman they are looking for, remember Colorado is looking to win it all this year not rebuilding.
Ok instead of sending the 3rd Rounder to Arizona I will instead send it to Colorado to give Colorado another asset going back for Byam.
What Arizona is getting back I still believe without a 3rd they would agree.

22 Feb 2024 19:08:07
What do the Avs get out of this? What do the Coyotes get out of this? This only benefits us. Avs are fine sitting 2nd in the central, 3rd in the west as a whole, and 5th overall in the entire league. They'll look to add for sure, but not at the cost of Byram unless they are getting a high end player up front in and they most definitely do not add that in this deal. Yotes trade their top player who is signed at a very reasonable contract and is only 25. Even if they hop into a rebuild you know who's going to be apart of it? Clayton Keller.

We are not going to be big game hunting, at least we shouldn't be. Too many uncertainties in net to be confident enough to say this is the year we trade our top prospects, trade our future draft picks away, and go all in for the cup Add a good right handed dman who can slot in on the second or third pairing who can play a responsible game in our end, can skate well enough to transition, and get shots through on the offensive side of things.

22 Feb 2024 21:06:54
Embarrassing Pinball…absolute 💩

Take a long weekend and come back with some perspective.

22 Feb 2024 23:08:54
MG69
To start with what are The Avs getting? 3 players that will help them in the playoffs, do you not thinking adding Kampf, Jarnkrok up front and Dumba on defense over O'Connor and Byram makes them better for the playoffs? SMH if you think not.
What does Zona get?
Byram and Liljegren over Dumba and JBrown is that an improvement for next season and beyond?
Keller of course is the best player in the deal but Knies was magic with Cooley in college and he is a young power type forward with skill, in all honesty I would hate to trade Knies but to get Keller you have to, add the 1st and 3rd plus the trade off on defense and a depth goaltender.
That's why Arizona would do that.
As for Chickenfoot we know every Leaf player has no value in your world so why bother saying anything to you.

23 Feb 2024 01:06:19
No team wants Dumba. He doesn’t make the avalanche.

23 Feb 2024 01:48:32
Pinball it doesn't. O'Connor has more points than Kampf and Jarnkrok. Byram has more god damn points than Kampf and the same amount as Jarnkrok and he's on the third pair for defense and the second powerplay unit. You know who he also has more points than. Dumba! Refer to the standings man and tell me why in the world they should look to get rid of Byram and O'Connor when they don't get better after the fact. If they want to add depth there will be cheaper options who won't cost them Byram in the process. Kampf is a cap dump at this point. I'm sure they'd love to add Jarnkrok as he falls into that depth category, but if we were to say "It's going to cost you Byram. " they would laugh at us and look else where.

Well aware like everyone else in the hockey world that Knies and Cooley had great chemistry in college, but why do you think that warrants the idea that they should give up the better player and their best player for that hope that it translates to the NHL level. Keller is apart of their future. He's had success stat wise with little supporting cast, on a team friendly deal, can play every forward position, is only 25.

So again I ask you, why do the Arizona Coyotes and the Colorado Avalanche do this deal?

23 Feb 2024 15:55:25
Its easier to say you want Keller in Toronto, which doesn't solve the Leafs biggest issues which is their defense and goaltending depth.

This also doesn't look like the year for Toronto to go all in for the cup, considering their lack of scoring depth and the lack of draft picks and already thin prospect pool. Throwing that 1st rounder away would put them 2 steps further back. They should either hold out and go with the team they've built already, or try and grab a RHD that's making under $2m, but even with that they'll get in trouble when stacked up against a team like Florida or NYR in the playoffs.

23 Feb 2024 17:38:09
Couldn't agree more DrwDave. If we can grab a RHD at a reasonable cap hit that isn't going to cost the farm then absolutely for it. But at this point I'd rather see them let it ride for the year and regroup in the offseason. With any luck we will get some depth scoring going like we had last night against Vegas and it carries through to the playoffs.

23 Feb 2024 19:00:12
That one is absolutely brutal for Colorado.

23 Feb 2024 23:21:05
PINBALL: every time you blame feedback on your trades on someone being “anti-leafs” it’s even more embarrassing than your trade proposals, especially this one that has NOTHING for COL.

Others have noted this is a crappy deal for COL. You are too biased to recognize they are right.

🚫 Crying in Baseball
🚫 No Whining About Yout Trade Feedback.

27 Feb 2024 10:36:39
COL trades Byram, O’Connor & Kero for Jarnkrok, Kampf & Dumba? nah wtf

29 Feb 2024 16:47:16
Right @NotACasual? What an absolute steal for them. 🙄.

22 Feb 2024 02:53:46
Mtl- Savard half retain- 3rd pick 2024

Dal- bourque- 1st pick 2024

At the draft

Mtl- gallagher-1st pick wpg 2024-1st pick dal 2024

Too San Jose, Anaheim or Chicago

For future consideration

Then offer guentzel
5 year 50 M

22 Feb 2024 04:12:15
I actually like the Bourque trade a lot, I don’t think it’s too far off tbh. I don’t think they should dump Gallagher tho, he’s an important leader on that team. Maybe they should use those assets in a package for Zegras if he’s available.

22 Feb 2024 13:09:01
- Good one BFG - I think you're bang on with your asset valuations.

- Two 1sts to get rid of Gally's 3 years @ 6.5M is fair, but crippling, when considering the opportunity cost of what those two 1st round picks could be used for in a trade "for" something.

- Gally has been a good soldier for the Habs, and I think they'll do right by him. Perhaps he wants to go somewhere I think they'll make it happen, such as going home to EDM or something like that.

- For example, if the Gally wanted to go to EDM this summer, maybe they could trade his 3 x 6.5M for Campbell's 3 x 5M, and retain whatever some $ to make it work for EDM. (It would be wrong to bury Gally in the minors, but the Habs don't have anything invested in Campbell. The Habs could retain to make the dollars work and make sure Gally was left to finish his career honourably. He's earned that. )

- A buyout would take 6 looooong years at -333K, 2.1M, 4.6M, 2.1M, 2.1M, & 2.1M. I suspect Gally & the Habs will work out something honourable to allow them both to move on the right way.

22 Feb 2024 13:18:58
I wouldn't do the Guentzel signing though, and I'm not sure Zegras is the right trade target.

I know high end talent is hard to find, but his defensive play makes his net offense contribution far less meaningful. Some scorers get it, and some don't. He's a human highlight reel, but I'm not sure he's the kind of guy that helps win a championship. He feels more like a Johnny Gaudreau.

22 Feb 2024 13:20:03
That would be a great add for the Habs! Value wise I think it's there, my only thing is would Dallas want to part with him. Pavelski, Benn, and Seguin are not getting younger and eventually they will need to be replaced. There's free agency or there's the homegrown route. Do they move a player they've developed into a very promising player or move on from him. I don't know what the answer is to that, but the addition of Savard would sure up their defense even more for a playoff run.

23 Feb 2024 01:20:45
@Chickenfoot that Gaudreau comparison seems really accurate actually lol

23 Feb 2024 04:34:20
I see this

Habs lose Gallagher, Monahan Savard

Gain Bourque and guentzel

(Still have the first cgy pick for Monahan)

Salary wise it balanced and I rather have guentzel over zegras, more complete 2 way player, and playoff experience. 10 M maybe a little overpay but it's mtl. Taxes, media, you have to op a little.

22 Feb 2024 02:44:23
Tor- lilgren


Arz- Dumba half retain


Who add?

22 Feb 2024 04:13:11
Leafs Twitter seems to want Dumba over Tanev which I think is bananas. Tanev is exactly what they need on their blueline.

22 Feb 2024 09:01:20
I want Liljegren more than Dumba. Lilly is playing well, Dumba is no defensive wizard and has lost his offensive touch.

22 Feb 2024 11:40:09
Dumba add what the Leafs are looking for. He's rough right shot, hits and block shots while doing decent on the pk while not being overly expensive. Reminds me of a diet trouba imo.

22 Feb 2024 13:38:05
Dumba would be a good add, and while Tanev would be better in my opinion, it seems like with the chatter than he'll go for a ridiculously high return. The leafs just can't afford that.

Dumba would be cheaper, so I think BFG makes a good point with this add. I'm not a Lilly fan at all, but the target is right.

I think the leafs would be better off with someone bigger who does a bit more, like Savard, who has the extra year at a great cap hit of 3.5M. They don't have the pieces to make that trade, but if I were the leafs, I'd want someone with better size, scoring, shot blocking, and leadership than either Dumba or Tanev.

21 Feb 2024 23:39:01
Arizona Trades
Keller
Schmaltz
Crouse
1st Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Marner
Bertuzzi
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2024

Tweaked my original post of a deadline trade proposal adding a bit more from both teams.
Cap is a wash so no Cap retention from either team.

Would a trade like this be good gor both teams ?


Thoughts ?

22 Feb 2024 01:44:13
Easily, ARI would be better off with what they’ve got rather than this trade:

- the 3 ARI players are signed for 3-5 more years, whereas Bert is UFA at the end of the season, and Marner is signed for ONE more season after this.

- production-wise the 3 ARI players out produce the 3 leaf players.

- Marner is the best player in this group, but give me depth any day.

- based on years under contractual control, production, and depth, this trade makes zero sense for ARI.

22 Feb 2024 02:24:00
There's no reason at all for Arizona to consider that. You're vastly overrating one year of Marner, a UFA cap dump and a meh prospect.

22 Feb 2024 04:19:51
Marner > Keller (not by much)
Schmaltz > Bertuzzi
Crouse > > > Robertson
ARI 1st > > TOR 1st

would make no sense at all for the Coyotes.

- Keller (younger and cheaper)
- Schmaltz (younger, better and has years on his deal)
- Crouse (far better and proven player)
- ARI 1st (their pick is obviously going to be way better than the Leafs)

22 Feb 2024 13:49:38
Memarcus & Casual are bang-on, Pinball.

You have your own take Pinball, and that's fine. But if you're going to post here and then whine about the feedback, maybe it's time to reconsider your valuations of your players?

Regardless, we're all just spit-balling here, so enjoy it for what it is.

23 Feb 2024 16:00:40
Sure Pinball, trade the best Canadian player on the Leafs for a package with 2 Americans coming back in the return, just so Leafs fans can argue that the team is too American in 2 years from now and that they need more Ontario players.

Also what everyone else has previously stated, this trade makes zero sense for Arizona.