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17 Aug 2021 20:52:13
Logan Brown

for

Emil Bemstrom

Thoughts?

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15 Aug 2021 00:26:29
To Calgary :
D - Jakob Chychrun

To Boston :
C - Sean Monahan

To Arizona :
(2022) First-Round Selection - BOS
(2022) First-Round Selection - CGY
W - Jake Debrusk
D - Oliver Kylington or Connor Mackey.

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15 Aug 2021 02:11:31
Arizona isn’t shopping Chychrun.

15 Aug 2021 02:15:21
Pretty sure Chychrun is untouchable.

15 Aug 2021 03:27:30
Not sure if I like it or not, I don't know much about Chychrun.

Stats and scouting reports don't tell the whole story and I haven't seen him play enough to say whether he passes the eye test or not.

He'd have to be real solid all around to be worth a haul like that.

15 Aug 2021 05:17:46
He’d be Calgary’s best defenseman by a mile.

16 Aug 2021 15:08:58
Really, this is just two separate trades.

Jakob Chychrun for 2022 1st and Kylington OR Mackey
No way that happens.


Sean Monahan for 2022 1st and Debrusk.

16 Aug 2021 17:01:44
@Thunder

No that's wrong in a big way.

Boston would be getting Monahan for a 2022 first and Jake Debrusk

Arizona would be getting -TWO- 2022 1sts, Jake Debrusk and Kylington or Mackey for Jakob Chychrun.

16 Aug 2021 20:35:30
Chych slowly evolved into a great top2 dman and is only improving. I think Arizonas set to build around him on their dcore and won't shop him unless something blows em away.

16 Aug 2021 21:40:29
My bad, I wasn't reading that right. I see that now.

17 Aug 2021 20:23:36
Arizona should keep chychrun. First rounds from 2 teams trying for deep playoffs won't be worth losing him. Chances are Calgary wants to lottery protect it anyways.

A solid D man is too hard to find. And he's young enough, to grow with the team, and keep them respectable. (Or pull in a huge haul down the road. )

Or involve him for eichel. Dahlin and chychrun could be the start of something.

19 Aug 2021 17:02:53
Chychrun is a core piece for Arizona he’s 20 and already a stud you don’t move a core piece in a rebuild. He will be a future captain for Arizona. It’s like Tampa moving Kucherov or Ottawa moving Tkachuk just makes zero sense in terms of team direction and that’s not even commenting on value.

19 Aug 2021 20:15:23
Cychrun is not 20 he's 23.

15 Aug 2021 00:22:16
Thee Way Trade - CGY, NJD, OTT

To Calgary :
W - Brady Tkachuk

To New Jersey :
W - Johnny Gaudreau

To Ottawa :
(2022) First-Round Selection - NJD
(2023) Second-Round Selection - CGY
C - Dawson Mercer
D - Shakir Mukhamadullin



Brady Tkachuk - Elias Lindholm - Matthew Tkachuk
Sean Monahan - Mikael Backlund - Blake Coleman


Johnny Gaudreau - Nico Hischier - Yegor Sharangovich
Tomas Tatar - Jack Hughes - Jesper Bratt


Tim Stutzle - Josh Norris - Drake Batherson
Connor Brown - Shane Pinto - Colin White.

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15 Aug 2021 02:17:44
Gaudreau has very little value being a ufa next year.

15 Aug 2021 03:56:06
I'd love that trade but I can't see it happening.

Jersey and Calgary would be all over it but it'll take more than that to get Ottawa to even think about trading Brady now.

15 Aug 2021 05:16:29
Ottawa hangs up.

15 Aug 2021 14:03:00
@websjac you expect Tkachuk to get a Eichel package? .

15 Aug 2021 15:07:32
New Jersey gives up too much and Calgary doesn’t give up enough.

15 Aug 2021 15:15:13
Like his brother Matthew, Brady is the kind of player you simply don't trade unless you get a big haul for him. A first, a second and two meh prospects isn't that.

15 Aug 2021 15:35:48
Also Calgary can probably get a first and a couple meh prospects for Johnny as a rental at the trade deadline. Especially from one of the teams on his 5 team list. New Jersey almost certainly is one of those along with Philly, Boston, NYI and NYR.

15 Aug 2021 17:39:11
Ottawa thanks you for your interest, but says no. politely.

15 Aug 2021 19:39:47
Lol really? Do u think Ottawa is going to give away Tkachuck? Give your head a shake.

15 Aug 2021 21:22:30
@NotACasual No, i just don’t expect Ottawa to trade Brady at all. They’re trying to compete now, not rebuild again.

That said, I do think Brady is worth more than Foligno, which is about the offer you proposed.

16 Aug 2021 15:11:50
Not even close for Brady.

17 Aug 2021 04:29:08
Hey hockey dad: are u serious? Brady Tkachuk is worth 100 times more than Foligno lol.

17 Aug 2021 18:06:27
Ottawa has every reason NOT to trade Tkachuk. He's the centerpiece of their rebuild, and loved by the fans.

Ottawa blocks the number of the GM who calls with this BS.

17 Aug 2021 20:25:52
Not to do with trade, buys separate the Tkachuks on your lineup. Or put both with backlund for a bash brothers line.

14 Aug 2021 22:04:02
T.D.W.D.(the dubas way out)....

...Blame it on Hunter.



To Calgary:

Mitch Marner - 10, 903,000
Morgan Reilly - 5,000.000
Peirre Engvall - 1.25
Liljegren - 835,698



RETURN:

Matthew Tkachuk -7 mil

Noah Hanifin - 4.95 mil

Nikita Zadorov - signed at 2.2

Brett Ritchie - 900,00

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15 Aug 2021 11:20:40
Calgary hangs up.

15 Aug 2021 19:41:23
Ya uhhh little one sided there bud.

15 Aug 2021 22:46:55
Any leaf trade is lopsided. You could post mathews for her and so. eone would find a way for leafs to add.

16 Aug 2021 00:01:00
You know what's funny?

Leafs fans.

Just about every trade they propose would be great for Toronto and terrible for the other team (or teams) involved. Usually it involves the team taking on a big increase in cap hit with no thought whatsoever if they can afford it or not.

Calgary isn't going to Toronto a huge favor by taking on the Leafs cap problems and sending back some of their own best players in return.

17 Aug 2021 02:36:53
Marner straight up for Tkachuk, who says no, curious to see who people think has more value to a team.

Imo Marner earns the money he makes being a top 5 point producer in the league, but does a player with grit and sandpaper like Tkachuk who can also put up a lot of points have more value.

How about just ignoring the cap hit, who is the better player?

17 Aug 2021 18:08:54
Calgary laughs and hangs up. 11M for a guy who can't score when the games matter? NO THANKS!

17 Aug 2021 20:05:16
@Chickenfoot No need to hang up, just make a counter offer.

If you retain 3 mil per year on Marner trade our soft left winger who becomes invisible when the games matter for your soft right winger who becomes invisible when the games matter.

17 Aug 2021 20:29:36
With no cap value, I think Tkachuk and marner are close in value. adding cap makes marner worth less. Hanifin probably worth more than reilly for contract status.

The only reason reilly is being thought about in a trade, is his contract is up. everyone knows this. Swap Tkachuk for gadreau. And Toronto retains the 900k to make marner 10m.

19 Aug 2021 00:01:27
@MoxNix:

If I were building a lineup, Marner is not in it. At any price.

11M for a sweetheart like that is a non-starter. He's barely a PPG player.

You said CGY hangs up, and I agree with you. No basis for a deal from Calgary's perspective.

19 Aug 2021 04:21:07
@Chickenfoot Normally I'd agree but what my counter offer was trading him for Gaudreau with 3 mil retained on Marner. I wouldn't consider it at all for anyone but Gaudreau and even then only with a big chunk of Marner's salary retained by Toronto.

Even then I'd only do it because Calgary is strong at LW and weak at RW. Trade our soft offensive LW for their soft offensive RW.

Mind you my math was a little off, I should have said 3.5-4 mil retained on Marner instead of only 3.

19 Aug 2021 12:48:29
@MoxNix:

A counter-offer is best made when there is some basis for a potential deal. (I'm a deal-maker in a different industry, and I don't see a potential deal here for either side, thus my response. )

I base this on:

- Dubas has shown little interest in learning from mistakes and adjusting course. Instead, he has stubbornly doubled down on the "we can and we will" mentality when it comes to breaking up the 4 guys consuming half his cap.

- Dubas is unlikely to deal Marner and hold back salary because it would be a tacit admission that he lost (badly) his Marner negotiation.

- Trades are made for a variety of reasons, but generally, you trade what you have an abundance of to address a weakness. The leafs should trade Marner, but the return should focus on D, Goaltending, and prospects or picks. They don't have enough of any of those 3 things. Gaudreau is an exciting player, but they help at D and G more.

- Ultimately, the leafs have neither the cap space, prospects, or draft picks to ever fix their top-heavy lineup, which has never won anything. It's over. When Scooby doubled down on his core this summer, ownership should have fired him and hired an experienced GM do the obvious.

- The next leaf GM will have to break up the 4 big contracts and rebuild. They have nothing in the system, and 3 picks next year. Its obvious what they need, and what they don't. Trading Marner will be key, but Gaudreau is the wrong return, and this GM won't trade him regardless.

19 Aug 2021 15:35:34
It was a sarcastic counter offer.

I know Dubas won't trade Marner just like Treliving has stubbornly refused to trade Gaudreau.

19 Aug 2021 18:12:00
It's very difficult to detect sarcasm in the written form minus tone, but I agree with you that Scooby is unlikely to learn and change course. I get the sense Gaudreau will be traded, but I guess time will tell.

14 Aug 2021 15:55:30
Winnipeg Jets are projected to be $5.5 M over the salary cap.
WPG
Wheeler
To
MINNESOTA
Greenway
Sturm

Gets the Jets under the cap. Brings in more size. Greenway I think could replace Wheeler on the first line if not then the second line. With Ehlers on the top line with Connor & Scheifele.

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14 Aug 2021 16:11:17
Not enough as is. Greenway is solid but he is not in Wheelers caliber.

14 Aug 2021 16:28:38
Not even close in value for Wheeler and besides Wheeler never leave Scheiffele. With Little being on LTIR the jets have no cap concerns.

14 Aug 2021 16:44:54
With Little's LTIR there is no reason for the Jets to trade Wheeler and weaken their top 6 so drastically.

14 Aug 2021 18:13:41
The Jets will not be able to trade Wheeler at this time as he won't waive his no move clause.

19 Aug 2021 15:29:42
I defer to Island Jet on all things Winnipeg, but I can see what you were getting at Muzz.

Wheeler is a good player, and a really good Jet. He has embraced Winnipeg and they love him. He's overpaid now for what he brings, but you pay more to sign guys in Winnipeg and Edmonton.

I really like the Greenway kid too.

13 Aug 2021 12:10:17
Columbus Trades
Domi*

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Dermott

*Columbus retains 1.3m of Domi's remaining contract.

Columbus is looking to ship out Domi as it just hasn't worked there, getting Kerfoot and Dermott and having to retain 1.3m of his contract makes this a very fair trade.

Toronto gets a player that I believe will do great probably playing LW on a line with Matthews and Marner, Dubas is trying to improve on a budget and this works Cap wise they will have just enough to recall up to 2 players on the league minimum when needed with just under 1.5m in Cap left but in general it will be a 20 man roster.


Thoughts ?

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13 Aug 2021 13:54:12
Domi has more upside, Columbus says no but I actually don’t mind it myself.

13 Aug 2021 15:05:01
NotACasual
Domi is a UFA after this season, believe me this is a trade a small market team like Columbus will do, Kerfoot is a UFA and 2 seasons and Dermott isn't going anywhere, it makes sense for Columbus for this season and beyond, this makes sense for the win now Leafs.

13 Aug 2021 16:46:49
Columbus probably balks at retention but without retention they might do it.

13 Aug 2021 17:41:19
MoxNix
1.3m for one season isn't a huge factor in retention imo, when you add retention and Kerfoot and Dermott's Salary it's 1m more than right now.
And they are getting 2 NHL Players back in this proposal, remember Columbus is more retooling and this does that.

13 Aug 2021 18:20:06
If it's not a big deal then the Leafs shouldn't need it. Besides Domi is the best player in the deal and makes just 300k more than Kerfoot and Dermott together.

13 Aug 2021 21:11:48
I like the idea. I’m not so sure there’s more upside to Domi. I’d say there’s more upside to Dermott considering defensemen usually take longer to develop.

13 Aug 2021 22:12:17
Based on what I’ve seen of Columbus, it’s hard to tell if they are retooling or rebuilding based on Jones trade, Atkinson and Werenski extension.

Also Jackets are not that deep at C and Domi is capable of playing that position if needed. So unless they have another option they can trust, not sure they jump on this now.

Maybe revisit a Domi deal near trade Deadline as rental if Jackets are out of playoff picture.

As for value, Kerfoot like I mentioned has a lower value (not quite cap dump, close to based on other factors) but Leafs don’t have a lot of negotiating power when having to stuff him in a deal. So with that, Leafs would need to add. Not sure Dermott is what Jackets would think about or if they rather add to their picks/ prospects they’ve been going for recently. My thought is picks/ prospects are more enticing because I don’t see Dermott’s ceiling as more than a low #3-4 Dman at best.

So a deal isn’t out of the question, Leafs just need to add more and likely swap Dermott for picks/ prospects especially with retention expected on Jackets side.

13 Aug 2021 22:13:10
Also if I’m the Leafs, I would be a little cautious dealing with Jackets after the value they gave up to get Foligno who had limited impact and didn’t even stay for another year.

13 Aug 2021 23:05:16
Atkinson was traded.

13 Aug 2021 23:57:01
Without that 1.3m retention they won't be able to call up anyone from The AHL unless someone goes on the injured list, someone like Spezza or Simmonds who might need a game off won't be able to, so yes that retention is very important.
1.3m retention gives them just under 1.5m in Cap Space.

14 Aug 2021 13:57:49
As someone once said, the rest of the league isn't there to help Toronto out of their self-inflicted cap hell.

14 Aug 2021 13:59:36
That's Toronto's problem, other teams aren't going to retain salary just to help the Leafs out.

You don't trade away the better player and reduce your own cap space in the process. It's just the opposite, you trade away the best player when it INCREASES your own cap space enough to make it worth doing.

14 Aug 2021 15:55:20
There’s one thing to want a team to retain salary and then there’s another for not making it worth their while.

Dermott + Kerfoot likely doesn’t incentivize Jackets to trade Domi to Toronto with retention.

They might be able to find a more appealing deal elsewhere with no retention.

14 Aug 2021 15:56:49
@Toronto17, I know Atkinson is traded. I was using his recent deal and the other moves Jackets were making to gauge if they are in rebuild or retool. My thoughts are it’s somewhere in between where they have pieces to compete now but have been stacking up futures.

14 Aug 2021 16:35:46
Idk about yall, but Domi was left unprotected in the expansion draft, and Columbus isn't a team that has a surplus of forwards to protect either. And yet, Seattle still picked that Bayreuther guy over him. Domi really doesn't have all that much value (at the moment), but realistically, neither does Kerfoot, but at least Toronto lost McCann instrad of him. CBJ likely won't move him at retention, but Domi for Kerfoot AT THE MOMENT (no retention, just 1for1) is probably a lot closer than we think based on league perception of the two players, as well as based on how badly Domi played in his first year in CBJ at like 5.2 mill.

15 Aug 2021 01:05:18
I agree topshelf. I would like Domi on the leafs, only because he will fight. He had one really solid season, the rest have been average. Giving Dermott and Kerfoot for Domi seems like more than enough. I know pinball through in a salary retention which changes everything, but I think it’s a decent proposal.

15 Aug 2021 15:02:36
I don't get that anyone saying Domi is worth more?
Read up on him and Columbus, he won't even be ready to play for the first month of the season, so he is coming off a surgery, Columbus was ready to lose him in expansion for nothing and Seattle didn't take him, he is a UFA after this season, my offer if anything is better than almost any other Team would offer, so even with the 1.3m retention The Leafs might even be able to get a Draft Pick out of this proposal on top of a Kerfoot and Dermott for Domi trade, when he is traded which I believe he will be if it's a different trade everyone will see his value isn't there for Domi.

17 Aug 2021 18:18:43
NOBODY wants Kerfoot or Dermot. that's why they're in every leaf trade proposal.

If YOU don't want them, what makes you think OTHER teams want them.
. and want them enough to RETAIN money to acquire them?

You couldn't GIVE Kerfoot away for nothing to brand new Seattle. Think it through.

13 Aug 2021 06:23:20
Three Way Trade ( BUF, BOS, CGY )


To Boston :
C - Sean Monahan

To Calgary :
C - Jack Eichel

To Buffalo :
(2022) First-Round Selection (BOS)
(2022) First-Round Selection (CGY)
(2023) Second-Round Selection (BOS)
LW - Jakob Pelletier
D - Yan Kuznetsov
G - Dustin Wolf.

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13 Aug 2021 10:50:16
Keep Kuznetsov, add some health and performance conditions and sure.

13 Aug 2021 11:54:42
Pretty sure Boston doesn’t have enough money to take on Monahan.

13 Aug 2021 12:38:40
I wasn’t going to go too deep into that, it’s rumoured that Debrusk is on the move and they could potentially make another small move to clear cap.

13 Aug 2021 16:32:02
I think that's fair value for Monahan. 1 too many prospects from Calgary. Otherwise I think everyone is satisfied with that trade.

17 Aug 2021 20:33:59
Calgary should keep wolf. They have nothing behind markstrom in a year or two. Also Boston probably trades debrusk before both picks. They traditionally draft well in second round and should keep it.

28 Aug 2021 05:56:24
No one is giving up 1 first round pick let alone 2 until Eichle has surgery. Flames are not moving Wolf

12 Aug 2021 22:01:07
Toronto: Reilly

Flo: Lundell

1 for 1

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13 Aug 2021 22:14:15
Florida is not giving one of their better prospects for a rental. You get picks/ prospects as a return but not their Top 3 best like Lundell would be.

 


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