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12 Aug 2021 20:10:00
Wpg: Demelo

Anaheim: 3rd round pick

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12 Aug 2021 21:36:05
Why would the Jets do this trade?

12 Aug 2021 21:59:37
TheJets have probably made all the moves that they're going to for the next little while.

13 Aug 2021 03:24:01
I think beaulieu will be placed on waivers.

12 Aug 2021 00:14:07
Calgary:Monahan,Hanifin, Pelletier, Zary, 1rd 2021

Buffalo:Eichel, Rodrigues

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12 Aug 2021 13:52:34
Not getting Hanifin but with some conditions added based on Eichels health and performance post surgery the rest might be doable.

No way Buffalo gets anything close to that without conditions as long as his health and recovery are in question.

12 Aug 2021 16:37:46
Take out Hanifin and it’s pretty good
Monahan + Zary + Pelletier + 3rd in 2023 and a conditional 1st in 2022 or 2023 if he plays X amount of games next season.

12 Aug 2021 17:19:03
Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Pelletier and 2022 !st rounder is the probable unpalatable price for Eichel.

Suck it up, the Flames haven't had an elite player since Iginla left.

17 Aug 2021 20:37:01
Trading Tkachuk for eichel seems counter productive. Gadreau should be moved first.

11 Aug 2021 17:15:10
Habs: Elias Pettersson

Canucks: KK, Romanov and Gally.

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11 Aug 2021 17:33:27
Overpay for the Habs but the Canucks say no anyhow. They think Pettersson is a lot better than he is.

11 Aug 2021 19:22:43
Pettersson is a franchise C who had an unlucky injury slow down his career. Though with how much of a mess the Canucks last season was, I don't think him staying healthy would have mattered.

As for value in the trade its a fair deal, but MTL would be getting by far the best player, and it would open a hole on the Canucks that KK will never fill. So with that said, the Canucks say no. Good proposal though!

11 Aug 2021 21:22:47
Pettersson is a tall skinny underweight center who won't last very long.

12 Aug 2021 02:09:17
Like every trade in the history of sports one team or the other ended up with the best player lol. but I think I know what you mean. I don’t think either team does this to be honest that leaves 2 holes in the habs lineup that would be hard to replace at this point of the off-season. maybe the habs will just try another offer sheet to get things moving instead.

19 Aug 2021 18:15:43
With so many down-votes I assumed this was a Pinball proposal.

11 Aug 2021 14:44:45
Florida Trades
Huberdeau (UFA-2023)

Toronto Trades
Rielly (UFA-2022)
Kerfoot (UFA-2023)
Holmberg (RFA-2023)

I know a lot like to use Rielly can only get you draft picks and or prospects because he is a UFA after this season, that's usually true at the trade deadline but not to start a season, Rielly playing all year with Florida sells him also signing there after this season, Kerfoot isn't a Cap Dump either, he is a solid 2 way player on a great 3.5m contract, Holmberg is probably ready for the NHL this season and he to me would be a steal for Florida.

So why would Florida trade there Top LWinger ?
Emergence of Verhaeghe getting Bennett at the Deadline and add Holmberg and Duclair who can also play RWing plus Marchment gives Florida great depth on LWing, Kerfoot gives them a 2 way Centre all Teams want, Rielly is a Top Defenceman and nobody can argue that, so that's why Florida I believe would do a trade like this.

Why Toronto does it is obvious they need to replace Hyman and Huberdeau is actually an upgrade, Kerfoot will be missed but I believe Kampf will fill in that Centre spot, Rielly is the only part that's hard for The Leafs but can they re-sign him after this season ? Do they bury Liljegren for another season in The AHL ? No it's addition by subtraction trading Rielly, they Drafted Liljegren in the first round not to waste his career in the minors, this is one trade proposal I believe is the last big off season changes The Leafs need to do.
This proposal helps both Teams, and that's why Teams make trades.


Thoughts ?

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11 Aug 2021 15:16:49
Can I ask why Florida wouldn’t just keep Huberdeau and then make a pitch to Reilly in free agency at the end of next season or see if Leafs falter near deadline and pay rental price?

Like the adds on Reilly and uncertainty with his contract makes it seem not as valuable to move a key player in your top 6.

11 Aug 2021 15:29:48
Florida isn't trading Huberdeau.

Florida has absolutely no need for Kerfoot, they already have Barkov and Bennet plus they just picked up Reinhart.

Reilly is a good top 4, fringe top pairing defenseman but Florida doesn't need him either. Their defense is already pretty good. If they pick up another defenseman it'll be a big physical stay at home type not another "offensive" defenseman, especially not one who makes 5 mil/ yr now and will be a UFA looking for a big contract in a year.

11 Aug 2021 16:26:32
MoxNix
Rielly is not a fringe Top 4 Defenceman, he is a Top 2, Florida bought out Yandle and Rielly replaces him, not physical enough?
Ekblad, Weegar, and Gudas, they have tough Defense but need a Rielly type, I explained why they would trade Huberdeau so not explaining further, and I am sure if Toronto offered Kerfoot to Florida for a 6th Round Pick they would jump on that, so yes he has value.

11 Aug 2021 16:43:01
If Reilly doesn’t want to resign with Toronto, he could be a deadline move. They wouldn’t be able to get Huberdeau as Florida isn’t going to trade Huberdeau since he is arguably their best player and a top 15 player in the league.
At the deadline:
Florida:
Reilly
Toronto:
Lundell + 2nd.

11 Aug 2021 19:14:28
A more realistic trade target for the Leafs would be Tyler Bertuzzi from the Red Wings. He'd be a good replacement for Hyman and the Leafs could afford him (in both trade cost and salary) .

In fact if they can dump Kerfoot without retaining salary they might even be able to find a way to keep Reilly too.

13 Aug 2021 23:24:13
@Pinball

I never said Reilly was a "fringe Top 4" I said he was a *good Top 4 and a fringe Top *Pair. IOW, on most lines he'd be straddling the line between the top and 2nd pair. A very good 2nd pair defensemen, but not as good as most top pair defensemen.

Bringing up Yandle was pointless he's irrelevant. Florida didn't need or want him last year. They tried to trade him for w/ e they could get all year but there were no takers.

17 Aug 2021 20:39:30
Huberdeau is amazing player. Not moving for a rental.

11 Aug 2021 01:56:12
Since the rumors aren't going away let's talk about Eichel to Calgary and what it might cost. The reported price tag for Eichel right now is the equivalent of four first round picks, which for Calgary would be something like:

Buffalo trades:
Jack Eichel

Calgary trades:
Sean Monahan
Dillon Dube
2023 first round pick
One of Matthew Coronato, Connor Zary, Jakob Pelletier or Juuso Valimaki

That's too much for player with a serious injury who may never be the same again. The price would have to come down or there would have to be conditions based on Eichel's recovery after surgery and return to form (or not) post surgery.

I think Monahan and Dube up front with no conditions is reasonable but Calgary's 2023 pick would need to be conditional on Eichel's injury recovery and performance in 2021-22 and the 3rd player/ prospect should be balanced by a conditional pick coming back from the Sabres in 2023 (a late pick if he performs like an elite center, an earlier pick if he doesn't, how late or early depending on just how good or bad he is) .

What do you think?

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11 Aug 2021 03:37:28
Buffalo counters with

Sean Monahan (flip)
2022 First Round Selection
Juuso Valimaki
Connor Zary
Dustin Wolf.

11 Aug 2021 12:57:58
I see Monahan getting atleast a 1st and good prospect, so essentially Buffalo would be getting 2 1st’s, A-/ B+ prospect, Valimaki, Zary, Wolf. I mean who wouldn’t take that.

11 Aug 2021 13:59:57
I don't think Buffalo would flip Monahan, at least not this year.

Buffalo is well under the cap floor now (around 12 mil under IIRC) and that's with Eichel's 10 mil per year still on the books. They do have a few RFAs to resign to get closer but I they'll need more contracts just to get to the floor, Monahan's will help with that.

The rest of your proposal looks good except there are no conditions?

11 Aug 2021 19:50:54
To Calgary: Eichel

To Buffalo: Monahan, Backlund, 2023 1st and lesser prospect (Zavgrodny/Petterson/Mackey)

11 Aug 2021 21:08:35
@greatscottcgy that’s horrible for Buffalo

10 Aug 2021 22:18:06
Tyler Bertuzzi Trade ideas:

Detroit Trades:
Bertuzzi

LA Trades:
One of Byfield, Turcotte or Vilardi

(Respectively would have adds on either side based on the centres available )

Detroit Trades:
Bertuzzi

Toronto Trades:
Sandin + (picks)

Detroit Trades:
Bertuzzi ( Probably adds something here)

Montreal trades:
Romanov, Poehling, Primeau

Or

Kotkankemi , Primeau + pick

Detroit Trades:
Bertuzzi

Calgary Trades:
Zary + (Not sure of Zary's value so added a + here )


Detroit Trades:
Bertuzzi +

Winnipeg Trades:
Perfetti

Mostly looking to target a trade with Bertuzzi for young Centre or Defense prospects. Let me know if you have any other fits who may be moving one of those prospects or interested in Bertuzzi. Not actively shopping him but just curious on the prospects/picks he could bring in a deal.

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10 Aug 2021 22:37:30
Winnipeg isn't moving Perfetti for Bertuzzi.

10 Aug 2021 22:54:33
Montreal has added toffoli and Hoffman in back to back off seasons for nothing. I doubt they would be interested in giving up a chunk of their prospect pool for bertuzzi who really doesn’t do any more then either of them.

10 Aug 2021 23:31:11
I think your over valuing Bertuzzi., I know you said adds here and there, but he's not the type that gets the Kings thinking of trading Byfield. As for my team, No. he's not what the Habs need, and taking those guys out, creates other holes.

I think he's a good player, jus, nothing there seems like a fit.

11 Aug 2021 02:11:21
He would be a good fit on the leafs though.

11 Aug 2021 02:37:07
I think you're overvaluing Bertuzzi. He's not bad but he's not worth a top prospect. At any rate Calgary doesn't need another LW, they have too many now, what the Flames really need is a top 6 right shot RW and possibly a top 4 LD.

11 Aug 2021 02:45:24
Whatever Dvorak gets is probably what Bertuzzi gets or similar in that sense. Something along the lines of a 1st + a B level prospect. Not team’s best prospect, expecting any of those C from LA, KK/ Romanov+ or Sandin is crazy.

11 Aug 2021 03:42:15
I think that Bertuzzi’s a better player than Mantha - however, I feel like GMs would rather Mantha over Bertuzzi in general, so I think Bertuzzi’s value is slightly less than Manthas.

Mantha got Vrana, Panik, 1st, 2nd which was a fleecejob in itself. Panik was waived earlier in the season and came in at a full 2.5x3 so he was a complete cap dump, while Vrana was an undervalued piece in Washington whod have no place when Mantha came in - those two don’t cancel each other out, Vranas got much more positive value than Panik has negative, but I’m also saying that Mantha>Bert in NHL GM’s eyes, so taking that into consideration, I’d say:

1st, 2nd, 30ish point player (Sam Steel type, average kind of young guy) is probably fair value for Bertuzzi. Instead of taking back Vrana and Panik, you’d get a middling young piece like a Sam Steel type whos struggled but is still young and can play third line ish minutes.

11 Aug 2021 14:52:25
Just from the financial point of view as good as Bertuzzi is the Jets don't need to have to pay him big money in a couple of years when they have control over Perfetti, who may turn out to be a superior player, much longer.

11 Aug 2021 15:08:07
Thank you everyone, I know I went after some big targets here. Honestly was not certain of the league’s value of what it would take to acquire. I recall many teams sniffing around trying to see if he’s available especially if they lost out on Hyman.

So with higher bidders, higher price. Maybe not as high as proposed but that’s why I suggested adds.

I’m also not to familiar with those particular teams needs that I shared. I was just picking teams that had C and D prospects we would be interested in.

Does anyone have an idea of a Bertuzzi for the best Centre/ Defense prospect a team is willing to give up? (Not necessarily in the tier prospects I mentioned but similar positions)

11 Aug 2021 15:13:48
Based on the comments here, it sounds like Winnipeg, Calgary and Montreal wouldn’t have much interest. Not sure if any of them have any other Centres/ Defense prospects they might consider offering in the ones I shared’s place.

As for LA: they have 3 good young Centres and we’re looking for winger depth. My guess is Villardi is the odd man out of those 3. So I think he would be a reasonable target with adds as needed to make it work.

Toronto was asking for Bertuzzi and my thoughts were only Sandin/ Lilijgren are the two prospects we would likely aim for based on need. Plus their picks aren’t that high. Not sure which of those two D have less value but once again that was a starting point for conversation.

11 Aug 2021 17:19:50
Bertuzzi is a good player, but none of these proposals seem very realistic. An easy no from everyone.

11 Aug 2021 18:24:33
You don’t think Bertuzzi can get Vilardi, Sandin or Zary?

11 Aug 2021 18:55:15
@Ebsolutely Not Zary, though the Flames could certainly use Bertuzzi's grit, what they really need is a right shot RW, not another left shot LW.

Unless Gaudreau goes, then there just might be room for Bertuzzi but even then they'd still have Tkachuk and Mangiapane for the top 2 lines.

Blake Coleman will likely wind up playing RW on one of the top lines. If the Flames can find another RW good enough to play in the top 6 then both Tkachuk and Mangiapane can go back to where they belong at LW.

11 Aug 2021 22:04:41
I think I asked for too many prospects here or ones that are very untouchable. Goal here was not to over value Bertuzzi but to see what kinds of pieces would be involved. Trade rumours have died down on him recently but wouldn’t surprise if picked up again at deadline or next offseason.

Are there any Centre or Defense prospects (Centres preferred) available that you would send for Bertuzzi? Looking for a key piece to be a good prospect rather than a what if pick.

12 Aug 2021 01:05:56
@Datsyuk_Fan13 If Bertuzzi was a right shot RW Calgary would be very interested.

Ya never know though, they still might be interested in him as part of a package for Monahan or Gaudreau.

12 Aug 2021 01:25:23
He might not be a player Calgary needs but he definitely gets Zary and more in a trade.

12 Aug 2021 12:16:04
@Moxnix,

That makes sense now understanding Calgary’s needs but from a Detroit perspective we would want picks/ prospects. So if Flames move Gaudreau or Monahan elsewhere, they can circle back to us to make a pick/ prospect deal for Bertuzzi.

We just wouldn’t be thrilled with the most likely point of adding to Bertuzzi to get either Gaudreau or Monahan.

10 Aug 2021 16:43:41
Rangers trade
Zibanajed
Lafrenier
1st round pick

Leafs trade
Matthews

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10 Aug 2021 18:21:19
Don't think Leafs will part with their Golden Boy.

10 Aug 2021 18:48:46
Rangers say no. Right after they stop laughing.

11 Aug 2021 16:55:10
Ironically, Scooby won't trade any of the 4 guys handcuffing his team an half his cap.

The Rangers would probably rather just wait till he's a free agent and flees the leafs in 3 seasons.

17 Aug 2021 20:45:18
Rangers could probably get eichel cheaper.

10 Aug 2021 11:55:21
A 3 Way Trade Proposal.

Rangers Trade
Lafreniere (Leafs)

Blues Trade
Tarasenko (Rangers)

Leafs Trade
Rielly (Rangers)
Kerfoot (Blues)
Engvall (Rangers)
1st Round Pick 2022 (Blues)


Trade Breakdown

Tarasenko
-Kerfoot
-1st Round Pick 2022

Lafreniere
-Tarasenko
-Rielly
-Engvall

Rielly
Kerfoot
Engvall
1st Round Pick 2022
-Lafreniere


Blues solve the Tarasenko issue adding Kerfoot and a 1st Round Pick.

Rangers trading away a former 1st Overall Pick but instantly become a Cup Contender.

Leafs do 2 things, they add another Top Young LWinger and fix there Cap problems.


If this happened it would be the talk for years, does it help all Teams ? I believe yes it does.


Thoughts ?

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10 Aug 2021 12:34:08
Rangers say no thanks we'd have to trade too many other players we like away to be able to fit those contracts under the cap.

Blues say no thanks we can get a first for Tarasenko without taking a cap dump back too.

10 Aug 2021 13:38:17
MoxNix
Why do people think Kerfoot is a Cap dump?
3.5m player that's actually an amazing contract with what he brings to any team.
Tarasenko has been injured and if anything is a huge risk for any Team, Teams will take that chance because he is a Top 2 RWinger.

10 Aug 2021 15:57:27
Value for Tarasenko is pretty good IMO. Rangers aren’t trading Laf.

10 Aug 2021 16:14:01
I can't see why Rangers would trade Lafrennier.

10 Aug 2021 16:58:16
sosahabs24
Chris Drury The Rangers GM will want to win right away, the pressure in New York is right up there with any city like Montreal or Toronto.
Now this year do you have a better chance to win with Lafreniere or Tarasenko and Rielly on your roster?
That's why I believe in my proposal.

10 Aug 2021 17:48:36
@pinball tbh I think Laf outpoints both those players.

10 Aug 2021 18:23:49
I get what your saying., however, GM's just don't trade a number 1 overall after jus one season.
Will Tarasenko even remain healthy? I wouldn't trade this kid . if Drury wants to trade him to Montreal? I'm sure there is a deal to be made however haha😉.

10 Aug 2021 19:26:42
@sosahabs I'm pretty most if not all of us would say the same regarding our teams.

You want to trade Lafreniere? Really?! No kidding? What do you want? :)

10 Aug 2021 20:35:44
Haha. Ya MoxNix. I agree. obviously, it won't happen for the Habs, just a dream that was shattered when the damn Rangers won the lottery for him.

10 Aug 2021 22:01:00
I wouldn’t necessarily describe Kerfoot as a cap dump but also I would say his trade value likely would have lessened post expansion where Kraken chose McCann over him which has to say something. Most likely due to his limited production offensively vs defensive skills (McCann is the reverse) .

To note Toronto isn’t as abundant with cap space or have a player other than Kerfoot that you can expect them to send back in a deal for. Given he’s the only one that is often a throw in to deals for cap reasons brings a down on his value. Not full cap dump down but way less than if he was moved separately for whatever picks/ prospects they could get.

Also there are teams who may be able to move their players without taking salary back or retaining. It’s not often but it’s entirely possible. So a team trading the better player may prefer to deal elsewhere to avoid extra cap. Plus similar to people’s reaction to Tampa Bay Lightning, no ones obligated to help cap strapped team get better. You need to pay to move salary or find someone high enough on your guy to sell to.

That’s my thoughts on that side of the situation.

On the Deal: Rangers keep Lafreniere. Tarasenko for Reilly could be a start of something but not sure Leafs are on Tarasenkos list or if Leafs can afford Tarasenko.

10 Aug 2021 23:15:26
@Datsyuk_Fan13 Nailed it and said it in a nicer way than most of us.

11 Aug 2021 17:03:15
- Rielly has 1 year left, and unless you can negotiate an extension, his trade value is significantly diminished.

- Kerfoot is a cap dump. A valueless asset who is more of a liability in a tight cap world. (Career minus -16)

- Engvall has zero trade value except for leaf fans who include him in every second trade proposal. (He's barely a full-time NHL'er)

11 Aug 2021 17:50:18
@Chickenfoot Engvall might have more trade value than Kerfoot simply because though he's overpaid too it's by a lesser amount. He has good size too meaning teams might take a flyer on him as a project.

19 Aug 2021 00:11:50
@MoxNix:

Call Engvall a project or whatever you like, but he doesn't move the needle for me.

ESPECIALLY in a trade proposal where one team is giving up Lafrenierre, and another Tarasenko.

With Rielly having 1 year left, 2 cap dumps and a 1st don't get a deal like this done. Quantity does not equal quantity. No team is excited by what the leafs are giving in this deal in return.

 


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