NHL rumours 8

19 Feb 2024 13:33:56
MIN - Jake Middleton, Patrick Maroon and 2024 2nd
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi


Minnesota acquires Bertuzzi in hopes of resigning him long-term. Leafs grab a decent defensemen, winning veteran bottom 6 forward, a draft pick and frees up 2.25M in cap space for more potential moves.

Middleton - 2.45M @ 2 UFA
Maroon - 800K @ 1 UFA
Bertuzzi - 5.5M @ 1 UFA



Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - John Tavares - William Nylander
Bobby McMann - Calle Jarnkrok - Nicholas Robertson
Ryan Reaves - David Kampf - Patrick Maroon

Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Jake Middleton - Jake McCabe
Simon Benoit - Timothy Liljegren

Ilya Samsonov
Joseph Woll


Just wanted to post something new

19 Feb 2024 14:27:40
Seems fair but I don't think Bertuzzi will waive for a non contending team.

19 Feb 2024 14:44:44
So the leafs get:

- the best player in the trade (Middleton), who is under contract for the coming year at a very reasonable cap hit. (A D-man with almost identical offensive stats as Bert. )

- 2.25M in cap relief…which is absolutely huge.

- a proven winner in Maroon who would be an instant heart transplant for the leafs at playoff time.

- on top of all this, they get a 2nd too?


MIN gets:

- a head case they could sign as a UFA next season if they really wanted him. (And they won’t because they won’t be able to afford him with their crushing buyout penalties. )

- less depth for a team only 4 points out of a wild card?


I can’t imagine any scenario where Billy G would consider such a move. There’s absolutely no reason for him to do this to his team.

19 Feb 2024 15:11:10
Maroon is out 4-6 weeks just sayin ;)

20 Feb 2024 02:04:54
I think you're right, just throwing new trade ideas out instead of posting the same old stuff @chickenfoot.

20 Feb 2024 16:10:07
Would love to acquire a guy like Middleton. He would round out the defense without breaking the bank in terms of cap hit. I'd imagine to get him though you're looking at parting with a 1st, 2nd, and one of Minten or Cowen, plus a player to make the cap work (Kampf) . Big price, but got to pay to play.

I know Bert personally (grew up playing hockey against him and with him on occasion) and he really isn't a headcase just to make that known. He had a good stint with Boston and got paid. I'm sure we all would take advantage of a nice pay increase if it allowed. As for his performance I couldn't tell yah why it hasn't seemed to click or work in Toronto. If the Leafs trade him to a playoff team I would imagine he would waive, but maybe not seeing as his family just welcomed a new addition and likely doesn't want to be relocating. Hopefully it turns around for him though and we get some production down the stretch and into the playoffs from him.

20 Feb 2024 18:30:18
Bertuzzi let his team down when he remained the last anti-vax holdout in the NHL. He let his team mates down by missing all Canadian games when his team was in the hunt for a playoff position, and this hurt his trade value as well.

He has the tools to be great, but not the mindset. He scored 30 two years ago, followed by 2 years in single digits. He's on his 3rd team in two years, and the leafs only signed him for one year on a "prove it deal". Call it "mindset" if you prefer, but clearly he leaves his potential unfulfilled for a variety of reasons, and this year did nothing to improve his UFA salary negotiations.

19 Feb 2024 05:10:54
CGY - Chris Tanev
EDM - 2024 1st, 2025 5th and Philip Broberg

Chris Tanev comes with an 3 year extension and 50% retention on current contract. Price is slightly higher due to dealing with a division rival.
Let’s say the next contract is about 3M @ 3 UFA with a NMC

19 Feb 2024 10:17:53
Tanev has provided offense at a 1% rate above league average and defense at a staggering 19% above league average.
OZ Impact - 1%
DZ Impact - 18%
Compared to Oilers Defense :
Bouchard | OZ 2% | DZ 5%
Ekholm | OZ 5% | DZ 6%
Nurse | OZ -4% | DZ 3%
Ceci | OZ 0% | DZ -5%
Kulak | OZ 4% | DZ 2%
Desharnhais | OZ -7% | DZ 9%
(via hockeyviz)

Hanifin-Tanev
| 652.7 Mins | 49 GP | 52.5% xGoals % | 27.2 xGoals For | 24.6 xGoals Against | 2.5 xGoals For Per 60 Mins | 2.26 xGoals Against Per 60 Mins
(via moneypuck)

Tanev 92% WAR %
EV Offense 55% | EV Defense 99% | Finishing 59% | Goals 18% | 1st Assists 41% | Penalties 67% | Competition 83% | Teammates 83%
(via jfresh)

2020-21 | 56GP | 2G | 10A | 12Pts | 6PIM | +15 +/-
2021-22 | 82GP | 6G | 22A | 28Pts | 22PIM | +35 +/-
2022-23 | 65GP | 1G | 12A | 13Pts | 21PIM | +7 +/-
2023-24 | 52GP | 1G | 11A | 12Pts | 10PIM | +10 +/-
(via hockeydb)

20 Feb 2024 18:42:37
Seems crazy that those numbers show Bouchard as only 1% better than Tanev at offense. Can’t say I agree with that.

21 Feb 2024 02:07:55
@Ebsolutely Oilersnation posted it
Article - “The Oilers are reportedly ‘making a push’ for Flames defenceman Chris Tanev.”

21 Feb 2024 16:20:16
@Ebsolutely got to remember a lot of Bouchard's points don't come from the OZ, they come from that initial pass out of the DZ.

21 Feb 2024 18:26:59
Okay didn’t realize that’s how it’s tracked, makes sense. Still 14 goals vs. 12 points total makes me think these stats aren’t to be fully trusted.

23 Feb 2024 01:46:04
Completely unrealisric. Taney is way too injury prone and is nothing but a rental. It would need multiple teams to complete this trade and really. Taney is only better than Desardais on the Oilers roster.
Trade would need to be Tanev 50% retained to team 1, Taney to team 2 50% retained, Taney to edm. Desaedais & 2nd to Calgary, 3rd to team 1, 4th to team 2.

18 Feb 2024 17:02:52
Chris Tanav to oilers

Calgary receive Phillip Broberg Dylan hollaway and 1 2024

18 Feb 2024 19:39:14
Funny that's the offer given for parayko. Seems dumb.

18 Feb 2024 21:58:05
That’s ridiculous.

19 Feb 2024 03:26:23
Or tanav to oilers for Holloway or broberg and a conditional 2 if oilers make western conference final then Calgary gets 1st
That better

19 Feb 2024 05:12:33
I sure wouldn't pay that much for Tanev.

19 Feb 2024 05:37:52
- Holland let it be known recently that Broberg won’t be moved for a rental.

- Broberg, Holloway, and a 1st for Tanev is absolutely ridiculous. That kind of post lacks credibility and is just plain embarrassing.

18 Feb 2024 16:17:16
Ottawa Trades
Tarasenko*
Chychrun
Hamonic

Toronto Trades
Jarnkrok
Brodie+
Timmons
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


*Ottawa retains 50% of Tarasenko's expiring contract.

+Brodie has to waive his NTC.


Ottawa still rebuilding would get Picks, a prospect, a younger offensive Defenceman, a serviceable winger and Brodie is the Cap bridge needed for Toronto.

Toronto fixes both a top 6 at forward plus 2 Defencemen that would help huge for at least this season and next.



Thoughts ?

19 Feb 2024 05:13:49
Need to add Knies and more to that. No from Ottawa.

19 Feb 2024 05:51:05
This one is neither cap nor roster compliant, and has all the trappings of a Pinball homer deal that heavily favours the leafs and ignores what their proposed trade partner might want or need.

19 Feb 2024 06:04:48
That's really bad tarasenk is worth a 1st b prospect at 50.
Chcyrun is worth 1st top prosect 2nd.
Hamon8c is worth 3rd.


So you are way, way off.

28 Feb 2024 03:00:31
Lmfao go to bed lol.

18 Feb 2024 16:09:47
PIT - Marcus Pettersson
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi


Leafs need defense and Penguins need a forward.
Pettersson (27) - 4M @ 2 UFA
Bertuzzi (28) - 5.5M @ 1 UFA

18 Feb 2024 21:58:41
No interest in Petterson at any price.

18 Feb 2024 21:59:02
Also leaf’s need a RHD not a LHD.

18 Feb 2024 16:04:42
STL - Colton Parayko, Pavel Buchnevich and 2024 1st
TOR - Mitch Marner


Marner - 10.9M @ 2 UFA
Parayko - 6.5M @ 7 UFA
Buchnevich - 5.8M @ 2 UFA

Toronto replaces Marner with a cheaper winger, adds a RHD to their blueline and acquires acquired a draft pick to make more potential moves with. St Louis lacks star power and it could be enticing to add a big name player like Marner to their team.

18 Feb 2024 21:59:28
Ownership won’t allow a Marner trade.

19 Feb 2024 05:14:54
Who is gonna set up boy wonder (34)

18 Feb 2024 15:58:12
Tampa needs a defensemen to replace Sergachev and they have a history with David Savard. Maybe there could be a potential reunion?

TBL - 2025 2nd and 2024 5th
MTL - David Savard


Tampa has around 7.50M to make improvements throughout their lineup and I think Savard at 3.5M would make him an extremely attractive asset to any team. They would still have enough cap to make more potential moves.

I’m basing the value comparison to the Nikita Zadorov to VAN trade.

18 Feb 2024 18:44:24
I'd make Tanpa pay a little more. Do they have a 2024 1st? That's what I'd want for Big Play Dave .

19 Feb 2024 05:54:02
Savard would be a great add for anyone, but with Sergachev out now, they need a speedier D to pick up the slack.

20 Feb 2024 16:17:18
Unsure what Tampa's prospect pool looks like, but with Sergachev out a player like Chychrun or Hanifin would be ideal targets if they are wanting to add a higher end dman. With Chychrun you get some term as well. But again idk what the prospect pool looks like for Tampa or if they have the draft capital to make a deal happen.

20 Feb 2024 18:33:11
MG: I completely agree on Chychrun. Before the Sergachev injury I thought Savard was certainly on Tampa's radar. However, Chychrun has the wheels AND the skill, and Tampa doesn't have the trade pieces for both. (I posted a Chychrun to Tampa trade recently and I personally think he'll end up there. )

21 Feb 2024 12:37:36
@Chickenfoot had to go back quite a ways to find it. Unsure of Howard's overall value. I feel like he may be someone they want to hold onto. He definitely would need to be included in a Chychrun deal, but maybe they look at Hanifin who would likely cost less assets. Curious how it will play out for sure.

18 Feb 2024 15:49:58
Colorado wants to acquire a centre and they know Kadri very well. Maybe they would entertain a possible return?

CGY - Nazem Kadri, 2026 3rd and Parker Bell
COL - Samuel Girard


Flames get younger, slightly cheaper and acquire a Hanifin replacement. Kadri has put up pretty good numbers during his short time in Calgary despite playing on a mediocre defense-first team.
Nazem Kadri ( 7.00 @ 6 UFA )
Samuel Girard ( 5.00 @ 4 UFA )

Kadri’s Point Production :
CGY - 82GP | 24G 32A | 56Pts
CGY - 55GP | 17G 28A | 45Pts
(Leading the Flames in points, 3rd in points last season)

Colorado lacks wingers in their prospect pool and picks so I thought adding would make it a little more enticing given Kadri’s contract. Colorado trades from a position of strength for a much needed centre, winger prospect and draft pick while only losing 2mil towards the cap.

19 Feb 2024 22:54:30
Why would Calgary have to add above Kadri on this deal?

20 Feb 2024 02:07:36
@Nashan cause Avs are taking all the risk, he's 33 getting paid for another 6 years.

20 Feb 2024 20:46:04
Don’t think avs are taking all the risk. How good is Girard hiding behind toews and makar?

18 Feb 2024 15:08:48
Calgary Trades
Hanifin

Toronto Trades
Brodie*
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

*Brodie would have waive his NTC otherwise no deal obviously.


Hanifin is now officially on the trading block so I put a proposal together that Calgary might be interested in.

It's a no brainer why Toronto does it other than they are giving up future prospects in this type of trade.


Thoughts ?

19 Feb 2024 05:59:26
CGY will to much better than this for Hanifin.

17 Feb 2024 15:18:25
Montreal Trades
DSavard*

Toronto Trades
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2024

*Montreal retains 50% of DSavard's remaining contract which is the rest of this season and next.


Montreal and Toronto rarely make trades with each other but what each team would be looking at this proposal makes sense imo.



Thoughts ?

17 Feb 2024 19:42:15
I doubt that there is any NHL team hoping to acquire Liljegren. You would think that, if he had any value, cash space crunched Toronto should want to keep a younger, inexpensive defenseman, but every TML fan seems to want to trade him.

17 Feb 2024 21:47:39
- This is a big “NON” from MTL.

- I agree with Lago that Lilly is not a coveted D. He’s a throw-in, and a bit of a sweetheart for the grind of playoff hockey.

- the word is that Treliving is reticent to trade his 1st anyway. Attempts to package multiple lower picks as trade capital haven’t worked. He’s either going to have consider moving his 1st or making much smaller trades.

16 Feb 2024 21:50:17
Anaheim Trades
Lybushkin*
2nd Round Pick 2024 (Boston's Pick)

Toronto Trades
Liljegren
5th Round Pick 2024 (Chicago's Pick)

*Anaheim retains 50% of Lybuskin's expiring contract.


Leafs get a known Defenceman in Lybushkin who was with Toronto a few seasons ago and he will give them some thump on the backend, getting a 2nd Rounder is a must giving up Liljegren in this proposal.

Ducks all in for a rebuild so this makes sense for what they need to do for the future, trading off a player who probably won't resign and replace him with a younger Defender with upside and controlling contract as an upcoming RFA not a UFA.



Thoughts ?

17 Feb 2024 14:36:03
I think Toronto addes or higher draft pick. not equal value.

17 Feb 2024 15:13:24
balsam8
Lybushkin was traded from Buffalo to Anaheim for a 5th Round Pick, in the end Anaheim gets Liljegren for a 2nd and 5th Rounder that's about right imo.

17 Feb 2024 15:49:37
- Boosh will be a nice depth addition for a team, especially on an expiring deal.

- Lilly is way overvalued in this transaction, and where’s the compensation for ANA retaining?

19 Feb 2024 11:46:06
Who is Timothy Lillejgren?