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04 Dec 2020 17:05:57
Islanders: Pulock, Beauvillier, Dobson

Jets: Laine

This trade gives the jets a good top 4 RHD that just entered his prime. Also two way top 9 forward that will develop as a Phillip Danault type player once matured. He's already a great 2 way 30 point center. Then Dobson gives the jets one of the best defensemen prospect in the game. Islanders gets a one trick pony that can hopefully develop his game and not be a defensive liability but the scoring he could provide should be enough to compensate for the goals against his team. Would Islanders consider giving all this for Laine? Because I doubt any team would give more then this.

MagicMarc

1.) 04 Dec 2020 17:18:49
Nothing on that list is needed by the Jets.


2.) 04 Dec 2020 17:29:41
Why would the islanders trade their number 1 dman and potential franchise dman when they just made the conference final. Just very poorly thought out. Pulock for Laine 1 for 1 is a no from the Islanders not because he is worth more then Laine but because he is the focal point of their defence. They also just moved Devon Towes who was a very important piece defensively which will lead to more minutes given to Pulock also do you not pay attention to how Barry Trottz runs his team? He has built a very defensive minded system ( conservative would be a good word to describe it ) Laine would be quickly put into Trotz dog house and no you can’t compare Laine to Ovie as Ovies 2way game is miles better then Laines.

Did you put any thought into the Islanders needs?


3.) 04 Dec 2020 17:35:20
Poorly thought out once again. If Pulock was under contract for more than 2 years, he would be a start. But there is no chance the Islanders move Pulock and Dobson in the same deal.


4.) 04 Dec 2020 18:15:03
The Jets don't want or need 2nd pairing d-man but a 1st pairing one, without adding the prospects and bottom line/ pairing players. The Jets want quality for quality not quantity as they aren't a rebuilding team.


5.) 04 Dec 2020 19:24:18
Lol islandjet Pulock was the number 1 dman on a team that went to the conference final. He’d overtake Morrisey as the number 1 dman on the jets for a joke.


6.) 04 Dec 2020 21:22:56
I would say that’s reasonable on both side.


7.) 04 Dec 2020 22:42:56
If I’m the Isles, I only move Pulock if I keep Dobson or Vice versa. Giving up both just hurts their depth.

Also not sure Isles have the cap space as they got to sign Barzal still.


8.) 05 Dec 2020 08:19:00
I would jump on this deal if I were the jets but the islanders are giving too much imo.


9.) 05 Dec 2020 09:28:56
Nylander described it best, I couldn’t agree more


 

 

04 Dec 2020 16:55:52
Philly: Seinham, O'Brien, 1rd2021

Jets: Laine

MagicMarc

1.) 04 Dec 2020 17:31:18
Completely ignoring team needs once again. With Sanheim being LD this likely doesn't get Chevy's attention. Philly also doesn't have the depth to move another defenseman.


2.) 04 Dec 2020 17:31:24
Lmao how you go from the vast overpayment from the last post to this is astonishing. I think the value here is okay Flyers need/ should add to make it more fair but I’m not sure if Philly can afford to move Sanhiem.


3.) 04 Dec 2020 18:17:32
No from the Jets.


 

 

02 Dec 2020 23:39:48
Dallas:Lindell, Hintz, Faksa, Gurianov

Jets: Laine

MagicMarc

1.) 03 Dec 2020 13:50:46
Another troll by Marc. 4 players that fill no long term needs for the Jets.


2.) 03 Dec 2020 14:17:59
Not to mention a poorly thought out inter-division trade which is very unlikely.


3.) 03 Dec 2020 14:58:28
Not a trade the Jets would do.


4.) 03 Dec 2020 19:59:59
I’d hesitate to move Lindell alone for Laine he is a premier defensive dman like Jonas Brodin. Very underrated Dallas isn’t in position to move him unless they have a replacement lined up as he carry’s the bulk of the stars defensive work load.


5.) 03 Dec 2020 23:15:23
Based on needs, I can see why the Jets wouldn’t do it but from Dallas, the value seems to heavy in Jets favour.

That’s a Top 4 Dman, Young Top 6 potential winger and two fairly young CD with 2nd line potential.

Seems a bit hefty value wise.

Also there is no he division factor so likely wouldn’t happen.


6.) 03 Dec 2020 23:27:46
MeMarcus, why in the other post did you say I made up something that no Jets fan said with “heiskenen is not that good”? And then just ignore the reponses?

You literally said that higher up in the exact same thread lol that’s where I got it from! MoxNix even quotes it and puts it out there and you ignore it too haha

You have spewed so much biased garbage that you can’t even keep track of it lol.


7.) 04 Dec 2020 03:42:05
I somewhat agree Datsyuk. That's the whole issue with a trade like this, there isn't a single piece there that fits a position the Jets need long term, so it's a pointless trade. There is no reason to move Laine at this point in time for a bunch of lesser pieces, especially in division.

If a team wants Laine now, it will likely have to start with a young piece with lots of team control that Chevy believes fills a long term hole in the Jets lineup. In all likelihood a young, top 4 RHD.

2 or 3 years from now a quantity for quality package like this might work (not in division), but doubtful it works now. There's just not enough incentive for Chevy.


8.) 04 Dec 2020 03:57:33
I also forgot to mention that no team is going to give up 4 roster players with only one coming back and no team is going to take on 3 additional roster players when they are against the cap and have they expansion draft coming up.

The trade doesn't work on any level.


9.) 04 Dec 2020 04:08:33
Haaaaate to side with memarcus but you clearly took that out of context Sampson.
And as far as the trade goes I doubt 4 NHLers are traded for Laine. Less quantity IMO.


10.) 04 Dec 2020 17:24:00
I dunno Ebsolutely, you can think that if you want. But if someone said Eichel for Rielly and I said “Eichels good but not that good” I’d expect to be roasted and wouldn’t say it’s taken out of context.

It’s a franchise player for a teams 4th-5th best, same as heiskenen for Laine

You’re allowed to disagree though.


11.) 04 Dec 2020 19:58:59
I’m a leaf fan. So to see if something is bias, you put yourself in that position within your own team and think, would you do it?

People always want to compare Matthews to Laine, and anyone with a brain knows that that’s not the comparable. Beyond draft year and draft position, they’re nothing alike.

Big #1C vs goal scoring winger. Matthews is over a point per game for his career. Does most damage 5v5 . Laine is .80 pts per game and does more damage on the PP. Matthews is the best player on the leafs. Laine is 5th best on WPG (Scheiffle, Wheeler, Connor and Helly) .

Nylander is an inconsistent winger that has shown flashes of brilliance. .71 pts per game in his career and is 5th/ 6th best on his team (Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly, Andersen)

That’s your comparable, with a slight edge going to Laine for being a bit younger, but Nylander is locked up long term at $6.9M and Laine will want a big raise which would likely level out almost any gap.

So I take these trades and say would I take them for nylander (or even would I take them for Nylander and a small add) . And the majority of time when MeMarcus and IslandJet are saying the offers are terrible or way under value, I find them fair or sometimes an overpay that I’d happily take. The heiskanen one in particular is a no brainer.


12.) 05 Dec 2020 03:06:41
Okay but if you said Matthews for McDavid and Draisaitl, I’d say he’s good but not that good. What’s your point? He never said Heiskanen isn’t good he said he’s not worth Laine and Pionk.


13.) 05 Dec 2020 16:16:58
Laine and Pionk are not Mcdavid and Drasaitl. That’s the point. You’re doing and extreme analogy to be of one franchise player for 2 franchise players which is ridiculous and could easily be seen what was meant by that comment.

The other situation is a really good top 6 forward and a good top 4 Dman for a 21 year old superstar potential franchise Dman

Again, you can have your opinion, but if you don’t see the difference in those situations, I can’t help ya.


 

 

02 Dec 2020 09:54:55
Win:Laine

VGK:Theordore, Krebs, Dahlstrom

I believe jets are filling needs: good LHD top pairing defensemen, good top 6 center prospect and a good top 6 D. Would Winnipeg consider?

MagicMarc

1.) 02 Dec 2020 13:52:29
Winnipeg needs a RHD long term, not an LD and have no need for Dahlstrom, so Winnipeg wouldn't consider. Vegas also can't afford Laine.


2.) 02 Dec 2020 14:25:21
This trade doesn't improve the Jets and isn't worth Laine.


3.) 03 Dec 2020 03:37:46
Unbelievable.


4.) 03 Dec 2020 05:36:41
Theodore for Laine is fair 1 for 1.


 

 

02 Dec 2020 08:49:55
Jets:Laine,Pionk

Dallas:Heiskanen

MagicMarc

1.) 02 Dec 2020 13:55:47
Heiskanen is good, but not that good and there is also almost no chance a trade like that is made in division.

If Laine is moved, it will very likely be out east.


2.) 02 Dec 2020 14:02:50
No from Dalas. He is untouchable.


3.) 02 Dec 2020 14:28:38
This trade including Pionk would mean the Jets plug one hole in getting Heishanen but open up 2 others replacing Laine and Pionk.


4.) 02 Dec 2020 14:41:18
Heiskanen is, in my opinion, the best U23 dman in hockey rn (in my opinion, anyone could make any argument for Makar, Hughes or Dahlin) . Just based on that and how rare it is to find such a good dman, no from Dallas.


5.) 02 Dec 2020 16:19:56
I only made this trade to see if Jets fans are biased enough to say no to it. I guess that answers my question.


6.) 02 Dec 2020 18:09:48
Magicmarc the Jets don't want or need to trade Laine at this time so any trolltrades you propose will be answered with a no so move on to trading Marner or Nylander.


7.) 02 Dec 2020 20:34:49
I honestly think Heiskanen for Laine is more than fair. Adding Pionk is an overkill but I I can see Dallas doing this but at the same time I can’t. Laine would help a lot considering Dallas was one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Some may argue that Heiskanen is more valuable tho


8.) 02 Dec 2020 20:50:43
I agree Casual. It could be argued that Heiskanen is worth more than Laine, but no way Heiskanen is worth Pionk more than Laine. Especially when you consider Heiskanen's main value is from his offense and Pionk outscored him last season.

You are correct though, I can't see Dallas move him, even if they want to, in division.

Somehow though to Marc, Jets fans are biased because they're turning down paying at least 1.5 times what a player is worth for an LD that isn't a priority need for the Jets.


9.) 02 Dec 2020 20:56:09
“Heiskenen is not that good” lol you 2 are unreal hahaha

The guy had a better points per game average (26pts in 27 games) in the playoffs, when games get tighter and harder, as a 21 yr old Dman than the untouchable, point producing, 2way physical beast Laine has ever put up, as a forward in any season or playoff.

I get you saying they won’t trade Laine, you can JVR that opinion and you can believe that until the day he’s traded, and then backpedal. But you’re just making yourselves look so biased and uneducated saying things like Heskanens not that good lol.


10.) 02 Dec 2020 21:52:15
The above post by Sampson is exactly what we were talking about a couple of days ago Casual.

Sampson makes up something that no Jet fan has said "Heiskanen is not that good" and whines that Jet fans are biased.

That's why I avoid being too specific as much as possible. There's always a troll that comes along and twists your words to lower a civil discussion to their level.


11.) 02 Dec 2020 22:22:40
I agree memarcus


12.) 03 Dec 2020 01:06:58
(id trade marner for heiskanen in a heartbeat btw, lol)


13.) 03 Dec 2020 02:08:10
Heiskanens value comes from him two way game and the fact he’s 21 who just had a point per game in the playoffs. No way Dallas does a straight across trade but I can also see why the Jets might pass when Pionk is added. Decent chance they take it anyway though.


14.) 03 Dec 2020 04:31:20
Just saw The Hockey News released its “Top 50 players for 2020-21”. I know these lists are meant to be debated, but they’re based on what people who watch hockey for a living see and think. Miro Heiskenen is #28. Laine snuck on the list at #46. Figure it out. You would be lucky to upgrade to Miro for Pionk.


15.) 03 Dec 2020 05:43:43
NotACasual did you not watch the playoffs? Hieskanen looked like a top 5 player in the game. If the star’s somehow won the cup he’d be undoubtedly the conn smyth winner. As a 20 year old dman who is a 2way presence unlike Hughes and Makar led his team to the Stanley cup final. Even Bobby Orrs first couple
Of playoffs weren’t as impressive as Hieskanen people need to realize he a top 20 player in the game already.


16.) 03 Dec 2020 08:12:55
Quoting memarcus in this very thread.

"Heiskanen is good, but not that good"

"Sampson makes up something that no Jet fan has said "Heiskanen is not that good" and whines that Jet fans are biased. "


17.) 03 Dec 2020 08:15:34
@TopShelf " (id trade marner for heiskanen in a heartbeat btw, lol) "

I'll one up that Gaudreau and either Hanifin or Kylington. :)


18.) 03 Dec 2020 20:02:21
Moxnix not sure if that’s a troll but Guadreau and Hanfin aren’t worth Hieskanen. It’s really not close either. Mathews and Hieskanen is a fair swap.


19.) 03 Dec 2020 23:23:02
Yes moxnix. I took his exact quote and then he says he never said it lol. He forgets that people can scroll up 5-6 replies and read it I guess.


20.) 04 Dec 2020 18:03:49
@Nylander

I agree Heiskanen is worth more than that but it wasn't a troll. It was a tongue in cheek response to TopShelf saying he'd trade Marner for Heiskanen.

In any case Dallas won't be trading Heiskanen period anytime soon. Not unless some other team makes a ridiculously good offer on the order of the Lindros trade (or LOL what the 2 jets think Laine is worth) .


 

 

 

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30 May 2020 01:15:34
Rusty is not bad, he's big right handed and his stats last year -2 is honorable if you play for a terrible team.

MagicMarc

1.) 30 May 2020 07:33:24
#plusminuswarrior.


2.) 01 Jun 2020 16:05:07
Risto a good player just sucks at transition.


3.) 10 Jun 2020 02:50:20
He has issues with skating too.


 

 

13 Apr 2020 08:51:49
I see Vritanen as the next guy to join the 60 point club, should mtl trade Caufield for him?

MagicMarc

1.) 13 Apr 2020 16:07:57
Probably not lol.


 

 

10 Mar 2020 01:40:56
Is Saku Koivu a Hall of Fane candidate?

MagicMarc

1.) 10 Mar 2020 08:51:52
Due to injuries I would say no.


2.) 10 Mar 2020 17:25:48
As Habby said. his injuries and illness hold him out. Although he had a solid career, it was not spectacular.

Maybe more of a Habs fans question? Does his #11 belong in the rafters? I will also say no to this.


3.) 11 Mar 2020 04:31:46
He didn't win any cups or hardware that I know of. I didn't check so I could be wrong. But I don't think so. No. He is not good enough to get in HHOF. 832 points in over 1100 games doesn't even get you more than a mention as possible candidate. Like right here for instance.


 

 

10 Mar 2020 01:34:17
Any chance that Jason Pominville becomes a Hall of famer?

-Stanley Cup champion

-Olympique Gold winner

-All Star

-80 point player

MagicMarc

1.) 10 Mar 2020 08:52:14
I don’t think so.


2.) 10 Mar 2020 15:27:10
Pominville won Olympic gold?
What year? He’s American is he?


3.) 10 Mar 2020 17:28:46
Your not serious are ya? If Theo Fluery or Mats Naslund or Kevin Lowe. ect ect aren't in. then why would Pominville be in? Kovalev isn't in, nor should he be, but he had a better career .


4.) 11 Mar 2020 04:35:21
Pomminville never won a Stanley Cup. I'm less sure about the fold but I don't think he won a gold medal either. He never won any major individual awards either. 730 points in over 1000 games played are not HHOF numbers.


5.) 11 Mar 2020 18:35:04
Lol no chance he’s a HOF and I like Pominville.


 

 

01 Mar 2020 23:47:38
Is Jumbo Joe going to the hall of fame after retirement?

MagicMarc

1.) 02 Mar 2020 14:05:50
I’d say so.


2.) 02 Mar 2020 15:22:43
Oh yeah. He was scoring 100+ points when the league was all about size and not speed and skill.


 

 

 

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02 Dec 2020 16:19:56
I only made this trade to see if Jets fans are biased enough to say no to it. I guess that answers my question.

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28 Nov 2020 12:35:21
Solid trade proposal value wise although I am not sure any team should give up this much for Laine.

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13 Nov 2020 09:33:50
Im a Canadiens fan and I hate the leafs but even I can admit Tampa is coming on top on this one. Stamkos value is not that high if you take into account his injuries, contract and age. Marner is worth about twice as Stamkos imo. Rodion Amirov and the first should equate to Sergachev but even if it’s just worth half of him, the difference in value between Amirov paired with the first to Sergachev is wayyyy smaller then the difference in value between Marner and Stamkos. Any one who says Tampa Bay is loosing this is either extremely biased or doesn’t have any idea of players values.

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07 Nov 2020 14:10:02
I think although Bertuzzi might be overrated Edmonton would do it because of his intangibles. Detroit needs to add a little for Edmonton to pull the trigger because letting go a ppg in the nhl prospect is hard.

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01 Nov 2020 01:17:40
Value is dead on in my honest opinion.

This is an actual realistic trade that prob won’t happen because Calgary are high on Money. Trading number one center that have ppg potential and a 82 career high is not very smart as per Ryan OReilly. I think in Winnipeg with Patrick Laine Money become a full time pot center that can get 30 goals and play a solid all around game. Money is a top 20 center in the game. Those don’t get traded cheaply.

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