Calgary Flames Rumours

12 Mar 2024 13:30:05
At The Draft.

Calgary Trades
Huberdeau*

Toronto Trades
Kokkonen (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026

*Flames retain 1.5 million a year of Huberdeau's remaining contract.


Leafs will have flexibility Cap wise after this season and a trade proposal like this is something both teams might look at, Huberdeau hasn't worked out in Calgary for whatever reason but he is still a Top 6 LWinger imo regardless of his stats the last few years.



Thoughts ?

12 Mar 2024 17:55:58
Calgary takes this offer in a heartbeat this would be an absolute fleecing by Conroy.

Also adding another forward at $9m for 7 more years is not the answer for the Leafs lack of success, you're a Leafs fan so I would assume you already know having more than half the team salary locked up on 5 forwards isn't going to win a cup.

12 Mar 2024 17:58:12
By the way doing this trade would mean Tavares is gone, and after resigning Marner there will be no cap space for Knies, or to fix any of the issues with defense.

Once again, you're a Leafs fan so I'm assuming you know the Leafs need to solve their issues with defense.

12 Mar 2024 19:12:34
Man what lol. Even at 10 million no one is taking Huberdeau especially not the leafs.

12 Mar 2024 20:03:05
Stop this nonsense and delusion. You're really just all for having zero and I mean ZERO depth and not addressing our defense what so ever. Conroy would take this deal in a heartbeat and we would be the laughing stock of the league for paying 6 players north of $9mill next year and expecting to win.

12 Mar 2024 21:51:57
Unfortunately for the Flames and Conroy, they are stuck with this contract. I cant see any GM in the league taking this on.

13 Mar 2024 12:27:11
The scales have tipped. Pinball is now a Calgary fan by the looks of this post.

14 Mar 2024 13:14:26
- Pinball, you are lucky you're not the GM of your beloved leafs.

- I'm not sure how you can possibly ignore your D in favour of trades that mostly target forwards.

- If you watch the playoffs closely this year you will see that teams that build depth in all positions are the ones that are successful.

- To this end, cap management is essential, which means intelligent drafting and development.

- Your team has only 4 of their 12 picks in the first 4 rounds of the next 3 drafts. and you want to trade 2 more of them?

- Teams can't consistently trade away as many picks as the leafs do without it impacting their lineup. Dubas failed, and Treliving did the right thing hanging on to his 2 remaining first round picks.

- Teams need players on cheap ELC's making contributions, especially teams that have too many 10M+ salaries.

- Watch the playoffs and see what successful teams do to become winners. It will help you to create more realistic and readable posts.

07 Mar 2024 05:01:47
a little disappointed with the Hanifin return but the flames were handcuffed from Hanifin and his agent. I thought it would be much worse once i heard Tampa.

Hanifin for Conditional 1st, Conditional 3rd (basically a 2nd, lets be real) and Miromanov

Chychrun for Conditional 1st, 2nd and 2nd

Hronek for Conditional 1st and 2nd

pretty solid considering Chychrun and Hronek both had term and good AAV while Hanifin is a UFA.

07 Mar 2024 16:28:58
Yeah it's tough when your GM is handcuffed. Overall though, you had his services for a couple years and recouped some assets for a player that wanted out, all considered, Calgary did alright.

07 Mar 2024 16:41:31
@memarcusjoe yeah, Hanifin is definitely getting boos when they play against Vegas on the 14th. nobody likes what him and his agent was doing to Conroy. American players have become such a headache for the Flames. Hopefully they won’t have to worry when the new arena is finished and the retool is complete.

07 Mar 2024 19:47:38
Those 1sts in Chychrun and Hronek deals are both a lot higher then Vegas pick.

07 Mar 2024 20:39:58
That's true @Vbb but Hanifin is a UFA who got to pick his destination because his snake of an agent and he's older than when Chychrun and Hronek were traded.
I hope VGK uses the 2025 1st because the 2026 1st will be unprotected. So realistically if they trade that 2025 1st the Flames got an unprotected 2026 1st, 2025 2nd (if VGK wins a round) and Miromanov for a UFA that got to pick his destination. I don't think it was gonna get any better than that, Tampa was gonna fleece them so hard. It's a real shame Hanifin pulled this on the Flames but their ownership deserves it, they've got to be the worst owners in the league. They Conroy back out of the Markstrom deal when realistically we ain't making the playoffs, he's gonna get lit up behind this atrocious defense and his value will never be higher. NJ is willing to take his full salary and won't ask Conroy to take a contract, rumoured to be offering Holtz, 1st and 2nd. Flames will be mediocre forever if this ownership doesn't let Conroy do his job, sorry for the rant.

07 Mar 2024 21:58:05
CASUAL: I hear you, but when Hanifin kneecaps the GM like he did, it is bound to affect the return.

It could have been worse though, Tampa didn’t have much in assets to trade, so at least there’s that?.

07 Mar 2024 23:09:22
@Chickenfoot Yeah heard Flames went back to Tampa to tell them their offer from Vegas and Tampa panicked trying to up their offer but it was too late. Vegas basically asked the Flames what they wanted and offered up something similar. Glad they stepped in or Tampa would’ve taken advantage of a lose-lose situation for Calgary.

08 Mar 2024 02:08:07
CASUAL: absolutely Tampa would have taken advantage, and you have to admire Vegas’ absolute determination to win at any cost. I was impressed mostly by how Conroy and his team have handled their first deadline.

As usual, so many teams improved themselves SO much. It’s going to make for some great playoffs, and of course, some VERY disappointed fanbases when some very good teams are out in the first round.

09 Mar 2024 03:11:17
I don’t think his value was affected as much as you say. Yes he was being picky about where he was willing to resign which anyone would be but to my knowledge he had no trade protection so he could’ve went anywheres. He was traded as a rental because he is a rental.

09 Mar 2024 11:20:21
He had a modified NTC where he had an 8 team list of where he wouldn't go. Idk if Conroy allowed for communication to happen in regards to an extension with any team he was potentially going to then it definitely opened up the window for Hanafin to say: "I'm not signing an extension here. " I think he resigns with Vegas. Vegas will dump a contract for cheap like they did with Smith and be on their way.

06 Mar 2024 05:05:48
To Detroit: Noah Hanifan signed 8 years extension.

To Calgary: Nate Danialson, William wallinder or axel sandin pellikka, 2024 1st round pick and 2025 1st round pick.

Close or to much for Calgary ?

06 Mar 2024 09:59:26
Detroit says no thank you.

06 Mar 2024 12:51:14
I highly doubt Stevie Y trades ASP anytime soon. Guy is so mobile and plays a smart defensive game as well.

06 Mar 2024 20:31:21
What if signed the return is Danielson, wallinder, matta, 2024 first.

06 Mar 2024 04:57:01
To New Jersey: Jacob markstrom no retention

To Calgary : Alex holtz, Seamus Casey, 1rd pick 2024 and Nico daws or Akira Schmid

A little insurance in net for the future .

06 Mar 2024 20:38:03
Replace Casey with Clarke and I like it.

29 Feb 2024 03:33:07
Tanev gone but now hanifan to Carolina for D'Angelo, 1st and Anderson and flames trade with la involving markstrom and gavrikov

29 Feb 2024 03:55:08
Dangelo I’m guessing is a no, ufa and has stated won’t play in Canada. Not sure Anderson is wanted either. Why would Gavrikov be involved to old for what seems to be flames plan.

29 Feb 2024 04:07:45
Markstrom gone gives Anderson a splitting share and hanifan kinda has flames hands tied so a first and a couple replacement players maybe best they can do. Offensive and defensive d to somewhat offset there losses this year and frees up money for futures.

29 Feb 2024 04:10:21
Gavrikov and Anderson signed through next year to. Find a place for vladar this offseason if at all possible.

21 Feb 2024 23:23:30
CGY-VGK
To Calgary:
2024 1st, Nic Hague, Paul Cotter, Matyas Sapovaliv

To Vegas:
Noah Hanifin (who signs an extension)

CGY-NJ
To Calgary:
Alex Holtz, Kevin Bahl, 2024 1st, Lenni Hameenaho

To New Jersey:
Jacob Markstrom 2m retained (4m x 3 years)

CGY-TOR
Option 1 = Tanev for TOR 2024 1st -straight up swap

Option 2 = Chris Tanev and Andrew Mangiapane (50% retained this year and next = 2.8 mill) for 2024 1st, Nick Robertson, Topi Niemala

Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Kuzmenko
Zary-Kadri-Holtz
Robertson/Pospisil-Backlund-Coleman
Roberston/Pospisil-Cotter-Pelletier

Weegar-Andersson
Hague-Bahl
Kylington-Pachal

Wolf
Vladar

This should secure a top 8 ish pick.

Maybe even focus on moving kuzmenko this summer or next deadline. Maybe even coleman and Backlund.

We need to be bad next year too for that mtl 1st round trade thing

22 Feb 2024 15:30:43
Nobody wants to comment. Lol. Interesting thought of Vegas. Not sure about return but I’ll guess we shall find out within 2 weeks.

24 Feb 2024 04:31:14
Vegas has zero in cap space, hague at 2,294,150 and cotter at 775k isn't enough to accommodate hanifin's current 4.9
New jersey has 653,703 in space, Holtz at 894,167 and bahl at 1,050,000 isn't enough to accommodate a retained markstrom at 4 mills.

19 Feb 2024 05:10:54
CGY - Chris Tanev
EDM - 2024 1st, 2025 5th and Philip Broberg

Chris Tanev comes with an 3 year extension and 50% retention on current contract. Price is slightly higher due to dealing with a division rival.
Let’s say the next contract is about 3M @ 3 UFA with a NMC

19 Feb 2024 10:17:53
Tanev has provided offense at a 1% rate above league average and defense at a staggering 19% above league average.
OZ Impact - 1%
DZ Impact - 18%
Compared to Oilers Defense :
Bouchard | OZ 2% | DZ 5%
Ekholm | OZ 5% | DZ 6%
Nurse | OZ -4% | DZ 3%
Ceci | OZ 0% | DZ -5%
Kulak | OZ 4% | DZ 2%
Desharnhais | OZ -7% | DZ 9%
(via hockeyviz)

Hanifin-Tanev
| 652.7 Mins | 49 GP | 52.5% xGoals % | 27.2 xGoals For | 24.6 xGoals Against | 2.5 xGoals For Per 60 Mins | 2.26 xGoals Against Per 60 Mins
(via moneypuck)

Tanev 92% WAR %
EV Offense 55% | EV Defense 99% | Finishing 59% | Goals 18% | 1st Assists 41% | Penalties 67% | Competition 83% | Teammates 83%
(via jfresh)

2020-21 | 56GP | 2G | 10A | 12Pts | 6PIM | +15 +/-
2021-22 | 82GP | 6G | 22A | 28Pts | 22PIM | +35 +/-
2022-23 | 65GP | 1G | 12A | 13Pts | 21PIM | +7 +/-
2023-24 | 52GP | 1G | 11A | 12Pts | 10PIM | +10 +/-
(via hockeydb)

20 Feb 2024 18:42:37
Seems crazy that those numbers show Bouchard as only 1% better than Tanev at offense. Can’t say I agree with that.

21 Feb 2024 02:07:55
@Ebsolutely Oilersnation posted it
Article - “The Oilers are reportedly ‘making a push’ for Flames defenceman Chris Tanev.”

21 Feb 2024 16:20:16
@Ebsolutely got to remember a lot of Bouchard's points don't come from the OZ, they come from that initial pass out of the DZ.

21 Feb 2024 18:26:59
Okay didn’t realize that’s how it’s tracked, makes sense. Still 14 goals vs. 12 points total makes me think these stats aren’t to be fully trusted.

23 Feb 2024 01:46:04
Completely unrealisric. Taney is way too injury prone and is nothing but a rental. It would need multiple teams to complete this trade and really. Taney is only better than Desardais on the Oilers roster.
Trade would need to be Tanev 50% retained to team 1, Taney to team 2 50% retained, Taney to edm. Desaedais & 2nd to Calgary, 3rd to team 1, 4th to team 2.

18 Feb 2024 17:02:52
Chris Tanav to oilers

Calgary receive Phillip Broberg Dylan hollaway and 1 2024

18 Feb 2024 19:39:14
Funny that's the offer given for parayko. Seems dumb.

18 Feb 2024 21:58:05
That’s ridiculous.

19 Feb 2024 03:26:23
Or tanav to oilers for Holloway or broberg and a conditional 2 if oilers make western conference final then Calgary gets 1st
That better

19 Feb 2024 05:12:33
I sure wouldn't pay that much for Tanev.

19 Feb 2024 05:37:52
- Holland let it be known recently that Broberg won’t be moved for a rental.

- Broberg, Holloway, and a 1st for Tanev is absolutely ridiculous. That kind of post lacks credibility and is just plain embarrassing.

18 Feb 2024 15:49:58
Colorado wants to acquire a centre and they know Kadri very well. Maybe they would entertain a possible return?

CGY - Nazem Kadri, 2026 3rd and Parker Bell
COL - Samuel Girard


Flames get younger, slightly cheaper and acquire a Hanifin replacement. Kadri has put up pretty good numbers during his short time in Calgary despite playing on a mediocre defense-first team.
Nazem Kadri ( 7.00 @ 6 UFA )
Samuel Girard ( 5.00 @ 4 UFA )

Kadri’s Point Production :
CGY - 82GP | 24G 32A | 56Pts
CGY - 55GP | 17G 28A | 45Pts
(Leading the Flames in points, 3rd in points last season)

Colorado lacks wingers in their prospect pool and picks so I thought adding would make it a little more enticing given Kadri’s contract. Colorado trades from a position of strength for a much needed centre, winger prospect and draft pick while only losing 2mil towards the cap.

19 Feb 2024 22:54:30
Why would Calgary have to add above Kadri on this deal?

20 Feb 2024 02:07:36
@Nashan cause Avs are taking all the risk, he's 33 getting paid for another 6 years.

20 Feb 2024 20:46:04
Don’t think avs are taking all the risk. How good is Girard hiding behind toews and makar?

18 Feb 2024 15:08:48
Calgary Trades
Hanifin

Toronto Trades
Brodie*
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

*Brodie would have waive his NTC otherwise no deal obviously.


Hanifin is now officially on the trading block so I put a proposal together that Calgary might be interested in.

It's a no brainer why Toronto does it other than they are giving up future prospects in this type of trade.


Thoughts ?

19 Feb 2024 05:59:26
CGY will to much better than this for Hanifin.

16 Feb 2024 10:06:09
CGY receives: 2024 2nd round pick, 2024 4th round pick

FLA receives: Coleman



Coleman chases another cup in florida

16 Feb 2024 18:54:57
- I really like guys like Coleman for playoff additions, and I think a 2nd & 4th is fair value.

- the 2nd would have to be a 2025 2nd (FLA doesn't own their '24 2nd)

- the trade would need to be revised to send back a minor salary & roster player to CGY to help FLA remain cap & roster compliant.

- the only downside to Coleman is he's got 3 more seasons after this at 4.9M. As much as I like the player, FLA may prefer a player with less salary and term.

17 Feb 2024 11:53:13
Why wouldn’t Coleman be able to fetch a 1st? Monahan got a 1st and a 3rd, is only 3 years younger, UFA and is pretty bad defensively.

Coleman
- better two way player
- plays all 3 forward positions
- +22
- 43pts in 54gp

Monahan
- injury history
- rental
- -12
- 35pts in 53gp

compare their analytics, Coleman is the far more effective player so why wouldn’t he be able to fetch a 1st if someone like Laughton will most likely get one.

17 Feb 2024 15:58:19
CASUAL: The big reason WPG needed Monahan is that they’re terrible with face offs.

I like Coleman, but at 32, and being signed for 3 more years at 4.9M, I don’t think that brings a 1st. If I’m FLA I’d rather find a cheaper version of Coleman on a shorter deal.

17 Feb 2024 16:34:34
At first I thought Coleman as 4.9M at his age and term is a cap dump but had no clue how good of a season he’s having. Not sure what his value is but can’t really compare it to Monahan. Monahans cap made it really easy for any team to pick him up.

16 Feb 2024 09:52:11
To CGY: 2024 2nd round pick, 2025 5th round pick

To VAN: Tanev

16 Feb 2024 18:00:25
Canucks do t have a 2nd round pick in 2024. As much as I like Tanev, the Canucks could use some grit up front, over another defenseman.

17 Feb 2024 00:20:45
Ok i love Tanev but i do not want to be held to ransom to get is services but dont break the bank to get him.

16 Feb 2024 09:49:26
CGY receives: Marner, 2024 2nd round pick

TOR receives Markstrom, Hanifin, 2025 4th round pick



Calgary would flip Marner next year if he did not plan to resign. It's hard to say if Marner is untouchable or not but you'd think since Toronto has plenty of offence and Trevling did not draft Marner that there's a good chance he's not.

16 Feb 2024 16:56:41
I don’t even like Marner I’d give him away for free but there is no chance in hell ownership would allow Marner to be traded even for a gross overpayment that makes them better.

16 Feb 2024 19:20:49
- This too is a good trade idea, and frankly Treliving should have done a trade like this for Nylander rather than re-sign him and give him a NMC.

- the obvious hiccup with this trade is that Marner has a NMC, and would have to agree to waive it, which he's unlikely to do.

- leafs don't have a 2nd to offer, but they wouldn't have to to make this trade work.

- the leafs could make the roster limit work with sending someone to the minors.

13 Feb 2024 06:28:42
Calgary receives : Alex holtz, Seamus Casey, a 1st rd 2024 and a 1 st rd pick in 2025

New Jersey receives : Jacob markstrom.

13 Feb 2024 14:05:47
goalies never go for that much at the deadline no matter how good they are, get ride of the 2025 first and this is a believable deal.

13 Feb 2024 20:18:42
Holy that’s way to much.

07 Feb 2024 22:22:34
tor: liljigren, robertson, 2024 5th

arz: dumba (50%), 2024 2nd (wash), 2025 3rd


a case could be made to upgrade the wasington pick to arizon's. but this move would pay it forward into getting tanev out of calgary. while still keeping our first, for potential big game hunting or, restocking our own empty cupboards.

options: saros, tarasenko, wennberg, eberle, texier, henrique, mittelstadt.

08 Feb 2024 13:20:38
Looks pretty good to me tbh

08 Feb 2024 16:25:12
Dumba is awful. He absolutely fell off of a cliff. Dennis Gilbert and Jayden Struble are far better players that can be had for a 7th. Dumba doesn’t belong in any pro hockey league even the SPHL.

04 Feb 2024 08:32:29
CGY - Chris Tanev (50% Salary Retained)
VAN - Aatu Raty & 2025 2nd

04 Feb 2024 17:32:03
While I think that is decent value for Tanev, it isn't enough now. With the Lindholm and Monahan trades, teams are way overpaying. With retention, Tanev will most likely get a 1st and a mid round pick and a prospect like Raty. He's not worth it as neither Monahan or Lindholm were worth what they got.

04 Feb 2024 20:54:54
@BarDown I agree, I’m just lowering my expectations lol

07 Feb 2024 17:29:00
Like Bar Down, I think the market price for Tanev will turn out to be pretty high.

Given his age and skill set I’m shocked that OTT is allegedly considering trading for him. Their trajectory doesn’t seem to line up with the player’s age.

The good news is that CGY should get a nice return?.

01 Feb 2024 14:41:22
Calgary Trades
Hanifin*
CTanev*

Toronto Trades
Brodie+
Liljegren
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
5th Round Pick 2025


*Flames retain 50% of both Hanifin and CTanev's expiring contracts.

+Brodie would have to waive his NTC to go to Calgary where his career started otherwise this proposal can't happen.


With The Flames trading ELindholm yesterday I believe there is more to happen now, it's no secret that Hanifin and CTanev's names are out there to be traded and my proposal might not be the best Calgary can possibly get but I believe it's a solid offer.

Everyone keeps saying Defence Defence when it comes to The Leafs well this proposal will do that adding 2 quality Defencemen in my proposal.


Thoughts ?

01 Feb 2024 17:13:59
not a chance. much better offers out there with out holding back $$$.

01 Feb 2024 17:21:44
Targeting defense is a good start!

01 Feb 2024 19:27:46
balsam8
Please let us all know the better offers that you're claiming.

01 Feb 2024 19:30:29
CGY respectfully declines, and will get better offers from some of the contenders who are going for it this season like VCR.

02 Feb 2024 13:36:31
Tanev and Hanafin can both bring back better returns in separate trades. Tinkering with that proposal from Toronto I'd suggest:

Chris Tanev for

Brodie *with M-NTC being waived
Minton (WHL)
2024 1st round pick
Conditional 2024 5th round pick (becomes a 2025 3rd round pick if Toronto makes the conference finals)

But even then, this isn't Toronto's year with the questionable goaltending and lack of scoring depth. They'd be better off holding onto their 1st rounder this year and restructuring this team to be a cup contender in 2025-26.

02 Feb 2024 15:24:23
It's not the worst offer; I think we'd be sending probably a pick or two more. I think the Flames do likely fetch a better return if dealt separately (they get more in total from seperate deals) . Like the idea of adding either of them though, especially if we can hold onto Lily in the process.

24 Jan 2024 06:06:57
CGY - Elias Lindholm (50% Salary Retained)
COL - 2024 1st, 2024 2nd and Mikhail Gulyayev

24 Jan 2024 18:30:34
- I think this is a fair deal.

- One minor correction: it’ll have to be COL’s 2026 2nd. (They already traded their 2024 & 2025 2nd’s)

24 Jan 2024 22:00:58
@Chickenfoot correct my bad, yeah I was thinking maybe Byram and a 1st was kind of overvaluing Lindholm but a late first, late pick prospect and a 2nd seems fairly reasonable given salary retention and position.

19 Jan 2024 16:23:09
Chris Tanev 50% retained Dan Vladar To Toronto maple leafs for a 2 round pick nicholas Robertson and Frazier Minton


Elias Lindhome 50 percent retained to Washington captials for 1 round pick 2024 and 2025 ALIAKSEI PROTAS


Noah hannfin 50% retained and Dillon Dube Ruzicka and 2025 capitals 1 round to Flyers for YEGOR ZAMULA and TRAVIS KONECNY



Calgary lineup
Jonathan hubs yegor sharigovich KONECNY
Zary. Kadri Robertson or pospisl
Coleman backend magi
Yegor zamula Robertson or pospisl Klapka


Weager kylington
Anderson Gilbert
Deismone and yan kuznetove

I think this works out for both team pretty well Calgary gets pick back and players miss the playoffs this year get a high draft pick and retool next year defence core lacks a little bit
Toronto gets a goalie and a defencman
Which they needed capitals get a number one center to help ovi flyers get hannfin great defence dube had a bad year needs a new area and ruzicka
your guys thoughts ?

19 Jan 2024 23:03:02
Mabey not protas

19 Jan 2024 23:41:21
Lindholm can get more, overpayment for Konecny but also makes no sense for the Flyers and idk how to feel about the Leafs trade.

17 Jan 2024 21:28:28
CGY - Dillon Dube
NSH - Yakov Trenin